Frances Fishewick

     Frances Fishewick married Bushie Cotton, son of Adam Cotton, on 16 June 1625 in Withern, Lincolnshire.

Children of Frances Fishewick and Bushie Cotton

Herbert Fitches?

(circa 1870 - )
     Herbert Fitches? was born circa 1870.
     Herbert Fitches? married Sarah Ann Bullett, daughter of Charles Bullett and Mary Ann Cocksedge, on 8 January 1899 in Hessett, Suffolk.

Alan Fitz Flaald de Hesdin

( - circa 1122)
     He was Sheriff of Shropshire, Baron of Oswestry.. Alan Fitz Flaald de Hesdin was the son of Flaald Seneschal of Dol and Aveline.
     Alan Fitz Flaald de Hesdin married Adeliza Warine.
     Alan died circa 1122.

Child of Alan Fitz Flaald de Hesdin and Adeliza Warine

Ralph fitz Olaf

( - before 1159?)
     Insula means in Latin "Lille". Olivier Meert states: "de l'ISLE" or "de INSULA" is to be found in Lille (Northern-France-French Flanders - it was the capital of Flanders).The first viscount of Lille was SASWALO in 1039-47. His grandson was Roger father of Robert.
     Ralph was steward to the Prior of Ely/Chamberlain to the Bishop of Ely.
     Ralph fitz Olaf married Daughter,, daughter of Robert the Chamberlain. She brought a moiety of the smaller manor of Wilbraham in marriage. She may have been the sister of Robert.
There is no direct statement that Ralph married a daughter of Robert, the Chamberlain of the earl of Richmond, but the conclusion is derived from the evidence of Henry II's confirmation charter that his wife brought with her a moiety of the smaller manor of Wilbraham, and a garbled account given in 1279 from a Hundred Roll entry abstracted by Farrer in Feudal Cambridgeshire, p.122/123, as follows: "An unknown King of England held (the vill of) Great Wilburham in his own hands and gave one moiety thereof to Nele de Chaunberlein with the advowson of the church; the said Nele gave a moiety of his moiety to one Robert de (Insu)la with one of his daughters, which tenement Robert de Insula now holds, namely 200 a., of the honor of Richmond after Nele's death 100 a. descended hereditarily to his 5 daughters, of which Edmund de Sardelowe holds 90a. for the term of his life of John de Lovetot, who held of the honor of Brittany; R.Hund. II 490 b"
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     The pipe rolls record Ralph the Steward holding 20 librates of land in Wilbraham in 1156, then Ralph son of Olaf holding 16 in 1157, and 12 in 1158. There is no mention of Ralph after this date. It is likely that Ralph Olaf is the same person as Ralph the Steward.
The following are charters extracted from British Library Cotton MS Claudius C xi. The first gives evidence for the hereditary gift to Ralph, steward of the prior of Ely of the isle of Coveney (from which the surname Insula likely derived) to be held for 5 shillings yearly [1]. In the charters concerning Alexander prior of Ely, Ralph is termed a steward not a chamberlain.
[using foliation at bottom right]
f. 338v
Alexander Prior & totus Conuuentus Elien' ecc'ie ... Nouerit ... nos donasse & presenti carta concessisse Radulpho dapifero n'ro & amico insulam de Coueneya ... de nobis tenend' p[er] seruiciu' quinque solid' annuatim ...
sibi & heredibus suis post ip'm ...
Bishop Nigel gave various messuages [in Ely] to Ralph, his chamberlain.
f. 339
[Bishop Nigel] ... dedisee & concessisse Rad'ho camerario meo
[the messuage that was of Goscelin, the messuage that was of Godard, and the other men and messuages as above]
[Witnesses:] Will'mo Arch' Ric'o de Sc'o Paulo Petro & Alex' cl'icus Alex' Pinc' Harnico P'eg' Albto Anglico Jordano de Heneget' Paiano cl'ico
In the following charter, Ralph's land acquisitions are confirmed by Henry II. They include Northwald, Norfolk and Nedging, Suffolk representing 3 knights' fees given to him by bishop Nigel, Rampton, Cambs., Barford[2], Hinton [3] (inherited from Ralph's uncle Alan), Westwick, Cambs., lands in Wilbraham, Cambs., which he received with his wife in marriage, and messuages in Ely. These lands formed the nucleus of the L'Isle estate and feature in later inquisitions post mortem.
f. 340
Henricus Rex anglie dux Normannie & Acquit' & Comes And' ... Sciatis me concessisse & hac carta mea confirmasse Radulf' Camerario Nigelli Elien' Ep'i & h'edibus suis om'es t'r' suas .. quas carte duorum suorum ei testant' vid' Norwaldam & Neddynge quas Nigellus Elien' Ep'us dedit ei ... per s'uiciu' triu' militu' sicut carta eiusd' Ep'i testa' & carta conuentus Elien' confirmat' & Rantun' per s'uiciu' vnius militis quod dedit ei Eustachius Picot pro s'uicio suo & pro pecunia sua & Berford per s'uiciu' dimid' militis faciend' Willm'o filio Alani & hidam de Hentun' quam Alanus auu'culus eius tenebat & Westwich' t'ram que fuit Anschetilli vauassoris & t'r' de Wilburgeh m quas cepit cu' vxore sua in maritagio & quinque mesuag' in villa de Ely unu' quod Goscel' de Ely dedit ei & quatuor alia que ip'e Ep'us dedit T. Reni Com Corn' & R Com Legr' & H Com' Norff & H de Essex const & War' fil' Ger' Cam'ar' apud Westm'"

Chris Phillips has fixed the date of this confirmation charter to 1154, i.e. the beginning of Henry II's reign, to 1158, when Warin fitz Gerold was succeeded as Chamberlain by his brother Henry.
In the following charter prior Alexander confirms the gift of the Isle of Coveney to Robert son of Ralph the steward
f. 338v
Alexander Prior & totus conuentus Elien' ecc'ie ... Nouerit ... nos donasse & presenti carta concessisse Roberto filio Radulphi dapiferi Insulam de Coueneya sicut eam prius dedimus Radulpho patri suo ...
Likewise in the following charter bishop Nigel confirms lands he has given to Robert, son of Ralph his chamberlain - namely the manor of Nedging, Norfolk for two knights' fees, the Isle of Coveney, the manor of Northwold, Norfolk for one knight's fee, and various messuages in Ely for the annual rent of a pound.

f. 339
Nigellus dei gr'a Elien' Ep'us ... Notum sit ... me dedisse & p'sentis sc'pti pagina roborasse Rob'to filio Rad'i Cam'ar' mei tota' t'ram et tenura' p'ris sui ... que p'ri suo donauimus he'ditario iure tenend' videl't man'ium Neddynge ... p' s'uic' duorum militu' ... Insula' de Coueneya ... man'iu' de Northwolda ... p' s'uic' unius militis ... mesugiu' quod fuit Goscelini de Ely in villa de Ely sicut idem Goscelinus & Agnes uxor eius dederunt illud in vita sua Rad'hp pat' suo ... mesugium quod fuit Godardi Carpentar' & Radm' Saluar[iii]'[?] & mesuagiu' eius Leoffonu' quoque piscatorem & Sithtricu' de Newenham cum mesuag' ipsorum
Hec igit' mesugia p'fata cum ho'ibus ... damus & concedium ei ... pro una libra prp'is annatim reddenda ...
[Witnesses:] Alexander prior Elien Will's Arch'us Ricardus Thesaurarius Regis Angl' Ric'us de S'co Paulo Alexander cl'icus Hub'tus clericus Will's cl'icus Albtus Angl' & Adam filius eius Eu'ardus de Beche & Robtus filius eius Albericus Pigot Gregorius filius eius Hugo de Cotenham Jordanus de Henegeton' et Horaldus filius eius Michael p'eg'nus Ric'us Morel Rad'us filius Ric'i Ric'us Basset Willm's filius Turk' Nich'us Janitor & Petrus filius eius & Salamon Aurifaber
Chris concludes that the bishop's confirmation to Robert fitz Ralph follows shortly after Ralph's death around 1158/59, "[CP- the confirmation charter by the bishop for Robert son of Ralph, comes after Richard became treasurer but before [archdeacon] William's death, say 1158-1160. So if Ralph was still alive in late 1158 (pipe roll), we can narrow the date of his death down to a year or two after that on the evidence of the charters. If so, surely the end of his tenure in Wilbraham came at his death, so he would have died 1158-1159]".
From the continuation of the land holding of the Isle of Coveney Ralph, serving prior Alexander as a steward, and bishop Nigel as a chamberlain, is clearly the same person - whether simultaneously or consecutively in these capacities, it's not apparent.
     In 1066 and 1086 the larger of two manors in Great Wilbraham was that belonging from of old to the king. It apparently remained part of the royal demesne until the 1150s, when it was divided into two unequal parts, the smaller alienated from the 1150s. The larger part, later TEMPLE manor, then valued at £12 out of a total of £20, was held 1155-8 by Ralph son of Olaf. Thereafter, reckoned worth £15, it was retained by the king until c. 1189, when it was given, allegedly by Henry II, to Hugh de Malalney.
The pipe rolls record Ralph the Steward holding 20 librates of land in Wilbraham in 1156, then Ralph son of Olaf holding 16 in 1157, and 12 in 1158. There is no mention of Ralph after this date. It is likely that Ralph Olaf is the same person as Ralph the Steward.
The other manors in Great Wilbraham derived from 4 hides held of the honor of Richmond. They had belonged in 1066 to Eddeva the fair and by 1086 were held of Count Alan, lord of Richmond, by his chamberlain Eudes. Robert the chamberlain, probably Eudes's son...Probably by 1155 Robert had given half of his Wilbraham manor with a kinswoman in marriage to Ralph son of Olaf. Ralph was steward and chamberlain to Nigel, bishop of Ely; his daughter, supposedly named Beatrice, married Robert de Lisle. Robert or his son Robert was sheriff of Cambridgeshire 1198-1201. The son had the estate in 1207 and survived into the 1220s.
Eustace Picot granted 1 knight's fee at Rampton before c. 1156 to Ralph, chamberlain of Bishop Niel of Ely and ancestor of the Lisles.
     Ralph died before 1159?.

Child of Ralph fitz Olaf and Daughter,,

Robert fitz Ralph

( - before 1206)
     Robert fitz Ralph was the son of Ralph fitz Ribald and Agatha Brus.
     Of Middleham, co. York; ~ also known as Robert fitz Ranulf

Spouse: Hawise de Glanville who died 1 Mar 1194[29]
Father: Ranulf de Glanville, Justiciar of England (~1120-<1190)
Mother: Bertha de Valoins

Children: Waleran (ca1170-<1206)
Ralph (-<1206)
Ranulf (<1186-<1252)
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     Robert died before 1206.

Ralph fitz Ribald

     Ralph fitz Ribald married Agatha Brus, daughter of Robert de Brus Lord of Annandale and Agnes de Paganell. He was of Middleham in Richmondshire, co. Yorks. Son of Ribald of Brittany, lord of Middleham (-1121) & Beatrice Taillebois (-1112).

Child of Ralph fitz Ribald and Agatha Brus

Alice FitzAlan de Arundell

     Alice FitzAlan de Arundell married Sir Leonard Carew, son of John Carew Lord of Moulesford and Margaret Mohun. Alice FitzAlan de Arundell was the daughter of Sir Edward FitzAlan de Arundell.

Child of Alice FitzAlan de Arundell and Sir Leonard Carew

Sir Edward FitzAlan de Arundell

Child of Sir Edward FitzAlan de Arundell

William Fitzalan or Fitzwilliam

(circa 1155 - circa 1212)
     William Fitzalan or Fitzwilliam was born circa 1155. He was the son of William Fitzalan and Isabel de Say.
     William Fitzalan or Fitzwilliam married Agnes de Lacy.
     Baron of Oswestry, Sheriff of Shropshire.
     William died circa 1212. Rosie Bevan on the Medieval-L@rootseb.com mailing list wrote: It seems to me that Sanders bases the date of death, of William II in 1212/3 on the Testa de Nevill return by the sheriff of Shropshire in 1212. In this return the first entry is of William Fitzalan who is described as holding "in capite de domino Rege per baroniam". This indicates that the attributed date of death of 1210 is incorrect.
That being so, the assumption that because the barony of Oswestry was in manum regis, the heir was a minor, does not follow for William III was offering relief of 10,000 marks in August 1212 immediately after his father's death. What seems to have happened was that the barony was being held by the king until relief (or guarantee of one) had been paid. It appears that William III may have been seised of part of the lands and died after June 1213 when he is mentioned as having contracted the fine. The extraordinary amount of the relief indicates that King John did not trust FitzAlan and was ensuring his continual indebtedness as a guarantee of compliance, so that he could keep most of the barony under his own control. William III must have died between June and November of 1213 which was when the estates ended up in the king's hands again.
Thomas Erdington, (former sheriff of Shropshire in 1208) paid a colossal 5000 marks for the custody of the FitzAlan estate on the death of William III. He may have been intent on safeguarding the interests of his grandchildren who appear to have been teenagers, for John II came of age in 1244 meaning that he was fathered in 1223 by John I, six years after the death of his brother William IV in 1217. Looking at the economics of the situation, it seems to me that there was not a long period of minority and that payment of such a high amount for the custody, did not appear to be a particularly good bargain. This would indicate that personal interest was at stake not financial reward.
As Chris Philips has commented, Sanders' chrononology is entirely feasible, and going by the above version, I would suggest something along these lines.
William I died in 1160
William II b c 1155- 1212 aged about 57
William III b.c.1175-1213 aged about 38
William IV b. c 1200 - 1215 s.p. -17 aged about 15-17
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Children of William Fitzalan or Fitzwilliam and Agnes de Lacy

Alan Fitzalan Seneschal of Dol

(circa 1050 - 1097)
     He was herditary Seneschal or Steward of Dol, who was a crusade commander and died on crusade in 1097. From his son, William Fitz Alan, the Fitzalan Earls of Arundel descend.
Fitz-Aleyn. The first bearers of this great historical name were the sons of Alan Fitz-Flaald, Baron of Oswaldestre in Shropshire and of Mileham in Norfolk, who received from Henry I. the shrievalty of Shropshire, and died about 1114. No one exactly knows who he was. Eyton, after a close and laborious investigation of the question, has adopted the legend found in the fanciful Booke of Hector Boece, who believed he had discovered in him the
grandson of Banquo, the murdered Thane of Lochaber.* The names of Fleanchus
and Flaaldus are, as he argues, easily convertible; and he states that when
Fleance fled from Scotland about 1050, he took refuge at the court of Gruffyth-ap-Llewellyn, and fell in love with Gruffyth's daughter Guenta, who became his wife, and the mother of Alan. The author of The Norman People brings evidence to show that Flaald, his father, lived in Brittany, and was a brother of Alan, Seneschal of Dol, descended from the old Armorican Counts of Dol and Dinan. At all events, whatever may have been the origin of Alan Fitz
Flaald, he was " The mighty Father of our Kings to be," for, from his second son, Walter Fitz Alan, appointed Steward or Seneschal to David I. of Scotland, sprung the royal House of Stuart. The elder son, William Fitz Alan, was the progenitor of the Earls of Arundel, and received from Henry II. in second marriage Isabel de Say, Baroness of Clun, the greatest heiress in Shropshire. His name must have been a later addition to the Roll; for Alan Fitz Flaald, who survived the Conquest for nearly sixty years, must have been far too young a man when he fought at Hastings to have had a grown-up son by his side. Nor do either William or Walter occur in Domesday , where we find only Ricardus filius Alann entered as a sub-tenant
in Norfolk.
* Shakespere alludes to this story in Macbeth, when the witches foretell the
future greatness of his race to Banquo :
" Thou shall get kings, though thou be none.". Alan Fitzalan Seneschal of Dol was born circa 1050. He was the son of Alan Seneschal of Dol.
     Alan died in 1097.

Children of Alan Fitzalan Seneschal of Dol

Alice FitzAlan

(1352 - 17 March 1416)
     Alice FitzAlan was born in 1352. She was the daughter of Richard FitzAlan Earl of Arundell and Eleanor Plantagenet.
     Alice FitzAlan married Thomas Holland Earl of Kent, son of Thomas Holland Earl of Kent and Joan or Jeanette Unknown Countess of Kent.
     Alice died on 17 March 1416.

Child of Alice FitzAlan and Thomas Holland Earl of Kent

Christina FitzAlan (Bruce)

     Christina FitzAlan (Bruce) was born. Christian, or Cristina 'filia Walter', daughter of Walter fitz Alan, steward of Scotland (-1177) & Eschina of Huntlaw. She was the daughter of Walter FitzAlan and Eschyn de Molle of Huntlaw.
     Christina FitzAlan (Bruce) married William de Brus, son of Robert de Brus 2nd Lord of Annandale and Euphemia de Aumale, before 1195 in Scotland. Her dower included a third of the manor of Hartlepool, co. Durham, as evidenced by agreement with her son and heir Robert de Brus: ' On 11 Nov 1218, an agreement between Robert Brus and Patrick, earl of Dunbar and C. the countess, records that Patrick was to retain one third of the market.
     Christina was married first to William Bruce, lord of Annandale; later she was second wife of Earl Patrick (d.1232). On Countess Christina, see Andrew B.W. MacEwen, ‘Seven Scottish Countesses: A Miscellany. III. Christina de Brus, Countess of Dunbar’, The Genealogist, Fall 2003, 223-33. Christina was first wife of William de Brus, who died × 1212; and secondly wife of Earl Patrick (I) of Dunbar, who died in 1232. Christina was thus the stepmother of Earl Patrick (II). MacEwen suggests persuasively that Countess Christina was a daughter of Walter son of Alan (I) the steward and a sister of Alan the steward. This is based on the evidence that Birkenside (BWK), which was held by Walter son of Alan the steward, was later part of the marriage portion of Countess Euphemia, wife of Earl Patrick (II) [see 3/15/74 below]. MacEwen suggests that Christina inherited Birkenside from her putative father, Walter son of Alan (I), and that Euphemia was her daughter with William de Brus. Thus, Christina, who married secondly Earl Patrick (I) of Dunbar, apparently had a daughter from her previous marriage, Euphemia de Brus, who married Earl Patrick (I)’s son from a previous marriage, Earl Patrick (II). Thus Countess Christina appears to have been both stepmother and mother-in-law to Earl Patrick II. See also Andrew B.W. MacEwen, ‘A Clarification of the Dunbar Pedigree’, The Genealogist, vol. 9, no. 2 (1988), 229-41.
     Patrick Dunbar 5th Earl of Dunbar married secondly Christina FitzAlan (Bruce) between 1215 and 1218 in Scotland. The Earl married, secondly, between 1215 and 1218, Christina, widow of William de Brus of Annandale.
Andrew B W MacEwen, noted Scots genealogist, published an article in The Genealogist in 2003 which resolved her parentage. In that article, Mr MacEwen identified Cristina as a daughter of Walter fitz Alan (d. 1177), the first Steward of Scotland of that family.

Children of Christina FitzAlan (Bruce) and William de Brus

Emma Fitzalan

(circa 1070 - )
     Emma Fitzalan was born circa 1070. She was the daughter of Alan Fitzalan Seneschal of Dol.
     Emma Fitzalan married Walter, Thane of Lochaber,, son of Fleance, Thane of Locaber, and Nesta of Gwynedd (?), circa 1085.

Child of Emma Fitzalan and Walter, Thane of Lochaber,

John Fitzalan Baron of Oswestry

     John Fitzalan Baron of Oswestry was the son of William Fitzalan or Fitzwilliam and Agnes de Lacy.
     John Fitzalan Baron of Oswestry married Isabel d'Aubigne. From this union the Fitzalan earls of Arundell descend (1389-1580)..

Maud FitzAlan

     Maud FitzAlan married Robert de Bruce Earl of Carrick, 6th Lord of Annandale as his second wife, circa 19 September 1295. Robert de brus, Earl of carrick, lord of Annandale had licence to marry Maud FitzAlan, the widow of Philip Burnell, Kt, of Holgate, co. Salop. The marriage must have ended in divorce or annulment as Robert left a wife Eleanor while Maud married Simon de Criketot. They had no issue. They divorced before Easter term 1299.

Richard FitzAlan Earl of Arundell

(1306 - 24 January 1376)
     Richard FitzAlan Earl of Arundell married Eleanor Plantagenet. Richard FitzAlan Earl of Arundell was born in 1306.
     Richard died on 24 January 1376.

Child of Richard FitzAlan Earl of Arundell and Eleanor Plantagenet

Walter FitzAlan

(1106 - June 1177)
     Walter was the first High Steward of Scotland for David I. He was born in 1106 He was the third son of a Breton knight, Alan fitz Flaad, feudal lord of Oswestry, by his spouse Aveline, daughter of Ernulf de Hesdin.. He was the son of Alan Thane of Lochaber and Adelina de Hesding of Oswestry.
     Walter FitzAlan married Eschyn de Molle of Huntlaw. Wikipedia states: Walter fitz Alan was married to Eschyna de Londoniis, heiress of Uchtred de Molla (Molle) & Huntlaw (territorial designations, not then surnames) [11][12] and widow of Robert Croc. Upon Walter's death his widow married Henry de Molle,[12] whose new surname is probably taken from his wife's lands.
She and Walter had issue:
Alan fitz Walter, married firstly Eva, allegedly a daughter of Sweyn Thorsson, secondly Alesta, daughter of Morggán, Earl of Mar.
Walter fitz Walter[13]
Simon fitz Walter
Margaret fitz Walter,[13] married Robert de Montgomery of Eaglesham.
Christiana fitz Walter, married firstly William de Brus, Lord of Annandale, secondly Patrick, Earl of Dunbar.
.
     Benefactor of Knights Templars, founder of Paisley Priory in 1164, received grant of lands of from King David I. Ratified by Malcolm IV.
     Walter died in June 1177. He was interred in the monastery at Paisley, the burying-place of his family before their later accession to the throne..

Children of Walter FitzAlan and Eschyn de Molle of Huntlaw

William Fitzalan

(circa 1105 - 1160)
     He was ancestor of the Fitzalan Earls of Arundel. Baron of Oswestry, Sheriff of Shrosphire, Castellan of Shrewsbury 1138.
Medieval-L@rootsweb.com discussion on this family:
CMcNett@aol.com wrote:
I have two questions: Is Roger de Somery who married Nichola d'Aubigny the same person as the Roger de Somery who married Agnes and had Joan de Somery who married Thomas de Botetourte?
In response to TAF's:
Second, William who d. 6 May 1236 married both Margery de Umfraville and Agatha Trusbut. Who are the children by? Margery (according to Paget). In the next generation, Isabel was daughter of Isabel
The best discussion I have seen of William Fitz Alan (c1105-1160) can be found in Rev. Robert Eyton's Antiquities of Shropshire vol. VII p. 202-241. Basically, neither he nor his sons ever married a Helen Peverel. IIRC, this marriage was an invention by early 19th century genealogists to explain how vast Shropshire lands and the powerful position of Sheriff of Shropshire came to be held by the Fitz Alan family, a family not present at the time of the Doomsday survey.
This William Fitz Alan had 2 wives. According to Ordericus, he married first Christiana "niece of Robert Earl of Gloucester" (and so possibly an unidentified granddaughter of Henry I?). This marriage is a likely reason for William Fitz Alan's staunch support for the Earl of Gloucester and the Empress Maud in their rebellion against King Stephen. Ordericus mentions children, however, it is likely he had no
>surviving male issue by this marriage as his heirs would be his sons by his second marriage. He did have one daughter who was likely born of this marriage - Christiana Fitz Alan who married Hugh Pantulf, 4th Baron of Wem. William Fitz Alan lost his lands during the rebellion and was forced to seek asylum, probably in the court of the Earl of Chester. He regained his lands and the title of Sheriff of Shropshire when Henry II succeeded to the throne in December 1154, and as a reward for his support was granted marriage to the rich heiress Isabel de Say, Baroness of Clun. They were married in the spring of 1155. He died about Easter 1160 and was buried in Shrewsbury Abbey.
The ancestry of William Fitz Alan was discovered and printed in Studies in Peerage and Family History. by J. Horace Round, 1907. "The Origin of the Stewarts", pages 115-146. It basically gives:
1. Alan Dapifer of Dol
2. Flaad Dapifer of Dol
3. Alan Fitz Flaald          d: Aft. 1114
+Avelina de Hesdig
4. [1] William I Fitz Alan b: Abt. 1105 in of Oswestry,Shropshire, England. d: 1160     Burial: Shrewsbury Abbey (probably)
+Christiana of Gloucester d: Bef. 1155 m:1155
*2nd Wife of [1] William I Fitz Alan: Isabel de Sayd: 1199     m: 1155
To further muddy the waters, Alan Wilson in SGM loosely citing Complete Peerage, vol i, article on "arundel" for entire line's post shows the son to William Fitz Alan and Helen Peverel named William FitzALAN, Born Circa 1137 in Oswestry(Shrops) England. Died 1210 and married to Isabel de Say Lady of Clune [From: Alan B. Wilson Subject: > Re: William Fitz Alan ca. 1060 Date: 1997/03/20 ]
>
The CP article on Arundel does not give the parents of John Fitz Alan who married Isabel d'Aubigny. The Fitz Alan article confusingly implies Isabel de Say married the second William Fitz Alan. This is an error in CP. I do not know if it is corrected in vol. 14.
No alteration is proposed. I wonder if we might take a consensus on this. Joe Cochoit's suggestion (from Eyton, a text that has time to mature, shall we say), is that William ('I', so to speak) FitzAlan is the father with Isabel de Say of William ('II'). No wife of William ('II') is identified; i.e. John FitzAlan who m. Isabel d'Aubigny is the son of William ('II') but by an unknown mother. Is there general agreement here?. William Fitzalan was born circa 1105 in Oswestry, Shropshire. He was the son of Alan Fitzalan Seneschal of Dol.
     William Fitzalan married Isabel de Say. His first wife was Christian, niece of Robert Fitzroy of Gloucester.
Isabel de Say was wife of William fitz Alan, son of Alan fitz Flaald. Her father was Elias, lord of Clun in Shropshire. Although a relationship is implied, Sanders ("English Baronies" (Oxford, 1960), p. 113) indicates that the relationship between Henry de Say, lord of Clun and Elias is unknown.
Another de Say individual with ties to Shropshire is possibly Eustacia de Say, wife of Hugh fitz Osbern (d. ante 1140). Sanders (p. 75, note 3) indicates that Eustacia's ancestry is unknown. Nash's "History of Worcestershire", suggests that Eustacia's father was one Theodoric de Say, son of Picot de Say. Reade ("The House of Cornewall") indicates she was the daughter of Elias de Say and granddaughter of Theodoric de Say. Theodoric de Say and his father, Picot, were of Stokesay in Shropshire.
Are Elias of Clun and Elias of Stokesay the same individual? They appear to be contemporary, as does Eustacia, which would indicate that Nash's solution is the more likely. Does anyone know the devolution of Stokesay? Unfortunately, all I have at hand are secondary sources.
Hal Bradley GEN-MEDIEVAL-L@rootsweb.com.
     William died in 1160. He was buried in Shrewsbury Abbey.

Child of William Fitzalan and Isabel de Say

William Fitzalan

(circa 1175 - circa 1213)
     William Fitzalan was born circa 1175. He was the son of William Fitzalan or Fitzwilliam and Agnes de Lacy.
     William died circa 1213.

Alice FitzDuncan

( - 1215)
     Alice FitzDuncan was also known as Alicia in records. She was the daughter of William FitzDuncan Earl of Moray and Alice or Adeliza de Romelli.
     Alice FitzDuncan married Gilbert Pipard.
     Alice FitzDuncan married Robert de Courtney after 1192.
     Alice died in 1215. She died without leaving issue..
     People mentioned: Roger de Thurkilby; William de Fortibus (Forz), Count of Aumale; Henry de Dene; Robert de Courtenay; Alan de Multon; Roger de Burnabuk, clerk; Alice de Romeli, wife of Robert de Courtenay; Mabel [de Romeli], sister of Alice de Romeli; Cecily [de Romeli], sister of Alice [de Romeli]; Hawise, daughter and heir of Cecily de Romeli; William de Fortibus (Forz), Count of Aumale father of William de Forz, Count of Aumale; Richard de Lucy, daughter and heir of Mabel [de Romeli]; Alice [de Multon], wife of Alan de Multon and daughter and heir of Richard de Lucy; Mabel [de Moleton (Multon)], wife of Lambert de Multon and daughter and heir of Richard de Lucy; Lambert de Moleton (Multon); Archbishop of York.
Nature of request: Copy of a plea made before Thurkilby and his associates concerning the right of presentation to the church of Dean.
1) Endorsement: These petitions are answered.
2) Coram toto consilio and certify the king.
3) This remains unfinished.
4) Coram rege.

Amabel FitzDuncan (de Lucy)

     Amabel FitzDuncan (de Lucy) was also known as Mabel in records. She was the daughter of William FitzDuncan Earl of Moray and Alice or Adeliza de Romelli.
     Amabel FitzDuncan (de Lucy) married Reginald de Lucy.
     Amabel FitzDuncan (de Lucy) and Cecily de Romelli or FitzDuncan, William de Fortibus Earl of Albemarle, Skipton, William de Fortibus and Richard Lucy were mentioned in 1302?.

Child of Amabel FitzDuncan (de Lucy) and Reginald de Lucy

William FitzDuncan Earl of Moray

( - after 1151)
     William FitzDuncan Earl of Moray lived at Skipton, Yorkshire. He was born in Scotland. William, son of King Duncan II, by Ethreda daughter of earl Gospatric and nephew of King David I of Scotland. He was the son of Duncan, II, King of Scotland and Uchtreda, Queen of Scotland.
     William FitzDuncan Earl of Moray married Alice or Adeliza de Romelli, daughter of William de Meschin Lord of Copeland and Cecily de Romelli, before 1145. She was the second wife of William fitz Duncan of Skipton and Egremont (de jure uxoris).
     William died after 1151. He vanquished King Stephen's army at Clitheroe in 1150.

Children of William FitzDuncan Earl of Moray and Alice or Adeliza de Romelli

William FitzDuncan of Egremont

(say 1150 - after 1157)
     William de Egremont, son of the younger heiress, who is supposed to have been the 'Boy of Egremont', whose tragic death by drowning in the Strid at Bolton is commemorated in Wordsworth's beautiful lines, was living in 1155, when the canons of Embsay obtained the manor of Bolton, but he died soon after, supposedly under age. William FitzDuncan of Egremont was born say 1150 in England. He was the son of William FitzDuncan Earl of Moray and Alice or Adeliza de Romelli.
     William was buried after 1157 in Bolton, Yorkshire.

Roger FitzEustace or Lacy The Constable

( - after 1194)
     His son John became in 1232 Earl of Lincoln with his male issue expiring 1310-11 with his grandson Henry Earl of Lincoln. He was called The Constable.. Roger FitzEustace or Lacy The Constable was the son of John FitzEustace Constable of Chester.
     Roger FitzEustace or Lacy The Constable and Albreda de Lisures were mentioned in a deed dated 5 Richard I [1193-4]. A fine between Albreda de Lisores [Robert's daughter] and Roger de Laci, her grandson, by which she the said Albreda quit-claimed to him [Roger] all those lands which did belong to Robert de Lacy, and he covenanted with her that she should enjoy all the lands which were Robert de Lisours, her father's for life by the name of 8 Knight's Fees.
     Roger died after 1194.

Aubrey FitzEustace

     Aubrey FitzEustace was the daughter of Richard FitzEustace Constable of Chester and Albreda de Lisures.

John FitzEustace Constable of Chester

(before 1145 - 1190)
     John the Constable. From whom the second house of Lacy descended. John was Constable, Chester. He was born before 1145 in England. He was possibly born 1148 or before as he obtained livery of his inheritance in 1166. He was the son of Richard FitzEustace and Aubrey de Lacy.
     John FitzEustace Constable of Chester and Albreda de Lisures were mentioned in a deed dated 1166. John gave 1,000 marks to have the inheritance of his mother Albreda.
     John died in 1190 in Tyre, Lebanon. He died while on the third Crusade. He confirmed to the monks the gifts of Fulk de Lisoriis and his son Robert.

Child of John FitzEustace Constable of Chester

Richard FitzEustace

( - before 1166)
     Richard FitzEustace married Aubrey de Lacy, daughter of Robert de Lacy Lord of Pontefract, before 1145.
     Richard died before 1166.

Child of Richard FitzEustace and Aubrey de Lacy

Richard FitzEustace Constable of Chester

(circa 1128 - before 1163)
     Richard FitzEustace Constable of Chester was born circa 1128 in Halaton, Yorkshire.
     Richard FitzEustace Constable of Chester married Aubrey de Lacy, daughter of Robert de Lacy Lord of Pontefract, circa 1150 in Sprotborough, Yorkshire. Children of Richard FITZEUSTACE Baron of Halton and Albreda de LISOURES were as follows:
John FitzRichard de LACY Constable of Chester.
Roger FitzRichard 1st Lord of Warkworth.
Robert FitzRichard, born abt 1153 of England; died dsp.
Mary (Sara) FitzRichard.
Aubrey FitzRichard.
Roger de LACY, born abt 1157 of Cheshire, England
.
     Richard died before 1163.

Child of Richard FitzEustace Constable of Chester and Albreda de Lisures

Alexander FitzGerald

( - 1178)
     Alexander FitzGerald was born. Alexander, son of Gerold. He appears to have been kin of Warin FitzGerald who enfeoffed to him land at Sparsholt..
     Upon his accession Henry II gave Sparsholt to his chamberlain of the Exchequer Warin Fitz-Gerold ... Warin enfeoffed of this land Alexander FitzGerold of 1 knights' fee and Hugh FitzGerold of the like. They were probably his kinsmen. Alexander married Alice de Rumeilli, relict of William FitzDuncan and so held the honor of Skipton in 1166 by the courtesy of England..
     Alexander FitzGerald married Alice or Adeliza de Romelli, daughter of William de Meschin Lord of Copeland and Cecily de Romelli, between 1155 and 1156.
     Alexander died in 1178 in Skipton, Yorkshire. He died without issue in 1178 when his fee in Sparsholt reverted to the heir of Henry FitzGerald. Sparsholt in Hildeslaw hundred Berks, included Kingston Lisle.

Alexander Fitzgerald

     Alexander FitzGerald de Walton had lands in Skipton, jure uxoris, 12 Henry II. He gave lands to the Canons of Southwark. His wife Cecilia, Lady of Skipton etc. confirmed the grant.. Alexander Fitzgerald was the son of Unknown Gerald.
     Alexander Fitzgerald married Cecily de Romelli or FitzDuncan, daughter of William FitzDuncan Earl of Moray and Alice or Adeliza de Romelli. As her first marriage.