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     Kate Florence Murray was born on 12 September 1864 in Dalhousie, Bengal Presidency, India. She was the daughter of John Arthur Murray and Mary Ann Margaret Denty. Kate Florence Murray was christened on 11 December 1864 in Sealkote, Punjab, Bengal Presidency, India (now Pakistan).
     Kate Florence Murray and Mary Ann Margaret Denty appeared on the 1891 census in 19 Dundas Gardens, Willesden, Middlesex. Mary Ann Murray, head, widow, 59, living on own means, born Exeter, Devon; Kate Murray, duaghter 26, born East Indies (British subject). Kate Florence Murray witnessed the second marriage of Alfred Morgan Gillham and Mary Ann Hooper on 18 July 1891 in St Mary, Islington, London.
     Kate Florence Murray and Gertrude Annie Murray appeared on the 1911 census in 69 Egerton Road Bexhill, Bexhill, Surrey. MURRAY, Kate Florence, Head, Single, 46. Private Means, born Dalhouse India; WHITTREAD, Adelaide Thornton Aunt. Widow, 72, Private Means, born Tobago W Indies; MURRAY, Gertrude Annie. Sister, Single, 43, Private Means, born Madhapore India. YORK, Charlotte Ann Servant Single, 28, General Servant Domestic, born Burgess Hill Sussex.
     Kate Florence Murray and Henry St George Murray MacRae, Kate Ella Hooper, Arthur Frederick Hooper, Sydney Benjamin Hooper, Gertrude Annie Murray, Charles Henry Hooper and Frederick Hooper were beneficiaries in Mary Ann Gillham's will dated 30 April 1919 in Maida Vale, Middlesex. Kate Florence Murray was an executor of Gertrude Annie Murray's estate on 2 December 1946.
     Kate Florence Murray made a will dated 23 September 1949 in 27 Wilton Rd, Bexhill on Sea, Sussex. Her will mentioned her former addresses of 39a Cantelupe Rd and 69 Egerton Rd. She appointed her friends Octavius Harry Heyhe of Hockwell Hardwick Lane, Bury St Edmunds & Lewis Colin Turpin of Westminster Bank Chambers, 49 St Leonards Rd, Bexhill on Sea executors and trustees.
She beqeathed all her jewellery and articles of personal use to Heyhoe to dispose according to any memorandum signed by her and left among her papers
She bequeathed the following legacies to her niece Alice Elizabeth Van Horn £350, Mrs Emma Elizabeth King of 27 Wilton Rd, Bexhill on Sea £200 for the kindness and attention she has given
£500 to the children of my nephew George Freeman Murray of no. 6900 Bengenline Ave, Guttenburg, New Jersey
£500 to the children of my niece Marion Phyllis Riley care of Western Telegraph, London
All my real and personal estate to my trustees to divide the sames as to 2/3 thereof for niece Alice Elizabeth Van Horn and 1/3 for my niece Mary Phyllis Riley.
Provided that if Alice Elizabeth Van Horn predeceased me I give her share of the residue to Robert Freeman Murray and Alice Freeman Murray (children of my late nephew George Freeman Murray) equally and if Marion Phyllis Riley predecease me leaving issue then to her issue equally.
     Kate died on 25 February 1951 in Bexhill on Sea, Sussex, aged 86.
     Her will was proved on 11 May 1951. Her effects were valued at £22132/1/5.

     Lady Louisa Nina Murray was born in England.
     Lady Louisa Nina Murray married George Edwin Lascelles, son of Henry Lascelles 3rd Earl of Harewood and Louisa Thynne, in 1851. They had issue.

     Margaret Ethel Murray was born on 8 October 1891 in West Bengal, India. She was the daughter of John Oldham Denty Murray and Mary Ann Sally Bird. Margaret Ethel Murray was christened on 28 December 1891 in Sitapur, India.

     Maria Jane Murray was born on 3 March 1805. She was the daughter of Lt Gen John Murray Lt Governor and Maria Unknown. Maria Jane Murray was christened on 3 June 1814 in St Mary le Strand, Westminster, Middlesex. Maria Jane, daughter of John & Maria Murray, of Somerset Place, Lt Genral late 96th Regt, born Mar 5th 1805.

     Maria Jane Murray (Lady Torrens) was born on 5 March 1805 in Valenciennes, France. She was the daughter of General John Murray and Maria Pascoe. Maria Jane Murray (Lady Torrens) was christened on 3 June 1814 in St Mary le Strand, Westminster.
     Maria Jane Murray (Lady Torrens) married Sir Arthur Wellesley Torrens KCB on 31 August 1832 in St Marylebone, Westminster. Both single of this parish, by banns, witnessed by Freeman Murray & Maria Murray.
     Maria Jane Murray (Lady Torrens) and Sir Arthur Wellesley Torrens KCB appeared on the 1841 census in John St, Westminster. He as aged 30 living iwth Lady Torrens aged 60, and Maria Jane Torrens aged 30.
     Maria Jane Murray (Lady Torrens) and Sir Arthur Wellesley Torrens KCB were recorded on the 1851 census in the Citadel, Plymouth, Devon. Lt Colonel Arthur W Torrens, 41, Comm Officer, born Marylebone, Mdx, wife Maria Jane Torrens, 35, born Valenciennne ... Near? France, British subject.
     Maria Jane Murray (Lady Torrens) lived at Apt 1, Suite 18, Gold Staff Gallery, 3rd Floor apts, Hampton Court Palace, Middlesex, England, December 1855. Sarah E Parker in Grace & Favour: a handbook of who lived where in Hampton Court Palace 1750 to 1950 wrote under Apartment 1 (Suite XVIII) Gold Staff Gallery – 3rd Floor Apartments: Lady Torrens: 1 December 1855. Maria Jane (1809–90), daughter of Gen Murray. She was born at Valenciennes, France but was a British subject. She married Sir Arthur Wellesley Torrens (1809–55), KCB, in 1832. He was a godson of the Duke of Wellington and in 1819 was appointed a
Page of Honour to the Prince Regent. He died from wounds received at Inkerman in Paris on 24 August 1855 and was buried in the cemetery of Père Lachaise. Lady Torrens erected a monument to him in St Paul’s Cathedral. By this stage the apartment had an upper floor, which included a kitchen and lavatory. At the 1861 census, Lady Torrens was in residence with her niece and three servants. In the 1871 census the apartment was empty. Ten years later she was living there alone, attended by three servants: Clara Funneke, housekeeper, Jane Beattie, cook, and Annie Dobson, housemaid, who was born in Hampton Court. Lady Torrens attended services in the Chapel Royal but was concerned at the overcrowding and seating problems. In June 1864, she wrote to the Lord Chamberlain’s Office requesting permission to sit in a particular pew: ‘Unless I am given the pew I had in 1856, I shall be prevented from attending the Chapel and shall attend some neighbouring church.’ In 1882 a fire broke out in the apartment directly above (see Apt 8). Official correspondence reported that Lady Torrens’ entrance hall, dining room and drawing room were ‘partially affected by fire and smoke’ and adjoining rooms suffered minor damage. The apartment was restored in 1883.
     Maria Jane Murray (Lady Torrens) appeared on the 1861 census in Hampton Palace, Hampton, Middlesex. Maria Jane, Lady Torrens, widow, aged 52, landed proprietor, born France, British subject; with niece Henrietta I? Torrens, widow, 24, fundholder, born East Indies and 3 servants..
     Maria Jane Murray (Lady Torrens) appeared on the 1871 census in Hastings, Sussex. Maria J Torrens, 50, Lady, born France, with a gentlewoman visitor Myra F Grifiin..fe, and a servant..
     Maria Jane Murray (Lady Torrens) appeared on the 1881 census in Lady Torrens apartments, Hampton, Middlesex. Maria Jane Torrens, 60, office's widow, born Valenciennes, France, British subject; with 3 servants.
     Maria died on 7 February 1890 in Chichester Rd, Brighton, Sussex, aged 84.

     Marian Phylis Murray was born on 11 October 1895 in 369 King St W, Toronto, York, Ontario, Canada. She was the daughter of Henry Denty Murray and Marion James.
     Marian Phylis Murray appeared on the 1911 census in Mill Corner, Northiam, Sussex. MURRAY, Marion Phyllis was a visitor aged 14, a school girl born Toronto Canada, staying with the Kesteven- Balshaw family.
     On 19 Sep 1919 a Marian Phyllis Murray aged 23 and Maria Isabel Murray aged 36 were first class passengers from Rio de Janeiro aboard the "Darro" (from Buenos Aries) at Liverpool, going to 69 Egerton Rd, Bexhill on Sea. Argentina was the country of last permanent residence.
     The marriage of Marian Phylis Murray and Edwin R Riley was registered in Battle RD, Sussex, in the March 1924 quarter.
     Marian Phylis Murray was mentioned in the will of Kate Florence Murray dated 23 September 1949.
     Marian's death was registered in the quarter ending in March 1959 in Battle RD Sussex.

     Marianne Murray was born circa 1863 in Bombay, India. She married Ernest Allardyee Gardiner Gossett on 25 Feb 1899 at Colaba, Bombay, India. She was the daughter of James Florence Murray and Marianne Ryder.

     Mariot Murray married Sir Malcolm Drummond. Mariot Murray was born in Tullibardine, Perthshire, Scotland. She was the daughter of Sir David Murray.

     Mary Ann Murray (Goben or Gobin) was also known as Goben or Gobin in records. She was born on 15 March 1843 in Black Creek, West Maitland, New South Wales. She was christened on 28 March 1844 in Roman Catholic church, Northumberland, New South Wales.
     Mary Ann Goben or Gobin married Elijah Bland, son of William John Bland and Mary Ann Froud or Frood, on 18 March 1866 in Fraser's Creek, Ashford, New South Wales. Mary married thirdly in 1871 in the Inverell district, to James Edward Beaton. Barbara Higoe, a descendant of Mary Ann Murray (Goben/Gobin, Bland, Beaton's) first daughter, Jane, born 16th August 1863 at Warialda, NSW. Jane was known as Bland, but was born nearly 3 years before Mary Ann's marriage to Elijah Bland and I do not believe that he is the father. Nor do I believe that James Goben/Gobin, Mary Ann's first husband was her father. For some unknown reason James and Mary Ann seem to have parted not too long after their marriage in 1859. (Note: NSW BDM website shows incorrect marriage details for James Gobin and Mary Ann Murray's marriage, but I have the correct certificate). Jane (known as Bland) married Alexander Fraser in 1888, and their daughter Olive is my grandmother, thus Mary Ann is my gt gt grandmother..
     Mary Ann Murray (Goben or Gobin) was employed as a shepherdess in 1866, Bonshaw, New South Wales.
     Mary Ann Murray (Goben or Gobin) lived at Lagoon Flats, Texas, Queensland, 1894.
     Mary Ann Murray (Goben or Gobin) lived at 'Moray Farm', Lagoon Flats, Texas, Queensland, between 1916 and 1919.
     Mary died on 18 April 1922 in the Hospital, Texas, Queensland, aged 79. She was buried on 19 April 1922 in Texas.

     Mary Ann Margaret Denty Murray's birth was registered in the quarter ending in December 1848 in London, Strand RD, Middlesex. She was the daughter of Rev Henry Murray and Louisa Frances Denty. Mary was listed as the daughter of Rev Henry Murray in the 1851 census in 3? South Parade in Chelsea, London, Middlesex; Henry Murray, 33, head, curate of St Luke's Chelsea, born in the West Indies, Louisa Frances Murray, wife, 28, born India, John Murray, brother 13?, scholar, born France, Louisa Denty, mother in law, 51, widow of Lt Colonel, born Islington, Mdx; Mary Ann Denty, 18, sister in law, born Exeter, Devon; Mary Ann Margaret Denty [sic], daughter, 4 months, born Chelsea.

     Mary Maria Murray was born on 15 May 1829 in Ealing, London. She was the daughter of Lt Gen John Murray Lt Governor and Ellen Butler O'Connor. Mary Maria Murray was christened on 12 June 1829 in Ealing.
     Mary Maria Murray and George Freeman Murray, Ellen Butler O'Connor, Sydney Murray, Jemima or Janina? Murray, Harriett Murray, Emily Murray, Jane Euphemia Murray, Augustus William Murray, Rev Henry Murray, James Horatio Murray and Arthur Murray were beneficiaries in Lt Gen John Murray Lt Governor's will dated 2 May 1841.

     Maud Winifred Murray was born on 12 February 1905 in Raebarel/Rae Bareli, India. She was the daughter of John Oldham Denty Murray and Mary Ann Sally Bird. Maud Winifred Murray was christened on 7 May 1905 in Bengal, India.

     Mina Murray was the daughter of George Freeman Murray and Kitty Wallace.

     Robert Freeman Murray was the son of George Freeman Murray.
     Robert Freeman Murray was mentioned in the will of Kate Florence Murray dated 23 September 1949.

     Sydney Murray was born circa 1815 in Demerara, West Indies. She was the daughter of Lt Gen John Murray Lt Governor.
     Sydney Murray and George Freeman Murray, Ellen Butler O'Connor, Jemima or Janina? Murray, Harriett Murray, Emily Murray, Mary Maria Murray, Jane Euphemia Murray, Augustus William Murray, Rev Henry Murray, James Horatio Murray and Arthur Murray were beneficiaries in Lt Gen John Murray Lt Governor's will dated 2 May 1841. Sydney Murray and James Florence Murray, Ellen Murray, Mary Ann Margaret Denty and Jemima or Janina? Murray witnessed Rev Henry Murray and Louisa Frances Denty's wedding on 9 February 1848 in Tamerton Foliot, Plympton St Mary RD, Devon.
     Sydney Murray was recorded between 1851 and 1891 census. She was listed as Sydney Murray born Demarara, aged 46 at Stamford, Welland, Ontario, Canada; but in 1851 at the same place she was 32. In 1891 she was at Chippewa, Welland, Ontario, Canada, aged 77..

     Unknown Murray married Isabel Maria Unknown. Unknown Murray was born say 1873. This is possibly Henry Denty Murray who witnessed George Freeman Murray's second marriage in 1899. A Henry Denty Murray's birth was registered in the Medway district (Kent) in the Sep qtr of 1873. He was the son of John Arthur Murray and Mary Ann Margaret Denty.

     William A F Murray was born circa 1856 in Ireland. He was the son of James Florence Murray and Marianne Ryder.

     William Daniel Murray was born in 1852. He married in 1877 from Gulistan in Rathmines. His marriage licence shows Rev William Daniel Murray as his father. Sarah Holt's family tree shows him as a son married to Bella but with no more details.www.sarahkholt.com/genealogy/getperson.php?personID=I0363.

William D Murray (2) married Arabella Jane Corvan, daughter of Rev William Walsh Corvan, Rector of Bannow Wexford and Jane Boyce. I have lots of information on their children and on the Corvan and Boyce families which I am putting up on a RootsEssential file at the moment. I am happy to share all of that and if you have any tips on the easiest way to do it I would receive them gratefully.

My father in law Norman Lancelot Murray is the grandson of William (2). William 2 has been a bit of a mystery. He was supposedly Scottish and he died in Manitoba in 1911 after supposedly abandoning his family and a career as chief brewer in Guinness in Dublin. The only problem is that Guinness has no record of him as chief brewer or anything else for that matter and if we are right about the above connection it does not look like he was very Scottish either.. He was the son of Rev William Daniel Murray and Mary Sophy Halahan.
     William Daniel Murray married Unknown Unknown in 1877 in 'Gulistan', Upper Mt Pleasant Ave, Rathmines, Dublin, Ireland. His marriage licence shows Rev William Daniel Murray as his father. Sarah Holt's family tree shows him as a son married to Bella but with no more details.www.sarahkholt.com/genealogy/getperson.php?personID=I0363..

     Rev William Daniel Murray was born before 1825?. He was the son of Edward Murray.
     William matriculated at Trinity College, Dublin, on 20 May 1845. William was curate at St Nicholas Without, Dublin.
     Rev William Daniel Murray married Mary Sophy Halahan, daughter of Robert Richard Halahan and Sophia Gibbs, on 28 May 1851 in Dublin. They had no issue.
     William died on 12 December 1852.

     Agnes Murray? was born in Scotland.
     The marriage of Agnes Murray? and Clement William Boreham, son of George Boreham and Emma Elizabeth Bland, was registered in Bury St Edmunds RD, Suffolk, in the December 1920 quarter.

     Margaret Eleanor Murton's birth was registered in the quarter ending in March 1875 in Kensington, London. She was the daughter of Margaret Rachel Kellow. Margaret Eleanor Murton was listed as Margaret Rachel Kellow's daughter in the 1891 census in 100 Elizabeth Crescent?, Kensington, London.

     John de Muscegros was born circa 1232. He was the son of Robert de Muscegros and Hawise Malet. John de Muscegros was the heir of John de Muscegros at the Inquisition Post Mortem held on 29 January 1254/55. John de Mucegros is the next heir of the said Robert and he was aged 21 years on the Feast of St Laurence last past, to wit, in the 37th year of King Henry III.
     47/678 (22 June 1263)
22 June. Tower of London. For John de Muscegros. To the barons of the Exchequer. The king has pardoned to his beloved and faithful John de Muscegros the half-mark at which he was amerced before the justices last itinerant to take the pleas of the forest in Essex for the common summons. Order to cause John to be quit from the aforesaid half-mark..
     John died before 8 May 1275. His wife was Cicely Avenal. He was the subject of an Inquisition Post Mortem held 8 May 3 Edw I [1275] His son Robert who was of full age, was his heir. Robert was aged 23, "holding Manors of Northon, Brywham as one-half fee, Cherleton 1 fee, and Stavill one-half fee, Somerset, Berton Regis and lands at Kenemerton, Boyton, Little Cumpton, Hatherle, and Langeford, co. Gloucester, and leaving son and heir, Robert. His widow, Cecily has livery of her own lands, viz., Manors of Bykenore, Teynton, Langford, Cumpton, and Britfarton, Worcester, and Gloucester, She was dead August 11 1301, leaving granddaughter as heiress, Hawise, 25, daughter of her son, Robert and widow of John de Ferrariis".

     The Gen-Medieval mailing list - Jimweber@nwintl.com (Jim Weber) wrote: CP VIII:70 states that Robert de Lisle m. 1stly before 1252, Mabel, widow of Hervey, baron of Stafford (d. 1241), and daughter of Sir Robert de Muscegros, of Charlton, by Hawise, daughter and coheir of Sir William Malet, of Curry Malet.
CP XII/1:171 has "Hervey de Stafford, son and heir. He m. Mabel, daughter of Richard de Mucegros. He dsp. before 7 Oct 1241, having left a will. Mabel survived him and was living in Apr. 1242. These don't seem to agree.
Volume XIV:589, corrects the Hervey de Stafford entry by inserting after Mucegros", of Charlton, by Hawise, daughter and coheir of Sir William Malet, of Curry Mallet."
XIV also inserts after 1242, "Mabel m. 2ndly, Robert de Lisle, who d. 1284." Vol XIV cited the Lisle entry in volume VIII:70 as the source for making the correction.
Superficially XIV didn't change the name from Mucegros to Muscegros, nor did it change Richard to Robert, nor did it change Mabel's death date of "living Apr 1242" to something indicating she was married again "before 1252".
But more importantly, I am not sure that the two entries are talking about the same Mabel. I believe that Richard de Muscegros was father of Robert de Muscegros, in which case XII/1:171 might be indicating that the Mabel who was wife of Hervey de Stafford was one generation earlier and an aunt of the Mabel who married Robert de Lisle.
Hervey de Stafford died in 1241, while Robert de Lisle was the son of a "bef. Feb 1239/40" marriage and was of age before 1264 when he obtained a charter. It doesn't make sense for a woman to marry as a 2nd husband, a man who might not have quite been born when her 1st husband died.
CP XII/1 was written well after VIII, and the editors might have been aware of what they were doing when they made the information different. XIV may be making a bad correction, in trying to make them agree.
Chris Phillips replied: The chronology certainly looks strange, and obviously something has gone wrong with the vol. 14 correction, whether it's the omission of a correction of Richard to Robert, or the identification of two different women.
There is some more information in the chart pedigree of Ferrers at vol. 5, around p. 334. This also identifies the same Mabel, daughter of Sir Robert de Muscegros (d. 1253/4) as the wife of both Hervey, Lord Stafford, and Sir Robert de Lisle. It also shows Sir Robert and Hawise as marrying between April 1220 and February 1220/1, and Sir John de Muscegros (who I presume is Sir Robert's son, though if so the line linking him is omitted) as b. 1232. I have this John as being married to Cecily Avenal.
As Hervey's father was granted his lands in 1217, and married in or before 1214, Hervey was presumably in his early to mid-20s when he died. So there's certainly a big age difference between him and Sir Robert de Lisle, but whether Hervey's wife would have belonged to the generation of Sir Robert de Muscegros seems a bit doubtful.
I'd be tempted to think there was some mistake about the date of marriage of Sir Robert de Lisle's parents, or that he was a child of an earlier marriage of his father, but as his stated mother was eventually her brother Warin's heir (and Robert called his son and heir Warin), presumably that's not the case. Mabel de Muscegros was born say 1225. She was possibly the elder sister & co-heir to John de Mucegros. In 1290 acknowledged a debt due to Warin. She was the daughter of Robert de Muscegros and Hawise Malet.
     Mabel de Muscegros married Hervey Stafford Baron before 1241.
     Mabel de Muscegros married Robert de Lisle as her second husband, before 1252. She was a widow at her marriage.
     Mabel died before 1284.

     Richard de Muscegros married Alice Dyve. Richard de Muscegros was born before 1200. He was the son of Richard de Muscegros and Hilary Folet.
     Richard died after 1239.

     Richard de Muscegros married Hilary Folet.
     Richard died circa 1200.
     Glouc'. Jurata de consensu partium venit recognitura si Ricardus de Muchegros aliud jus vel alium ingressum habuit in quoddam mesuagium cum pertinentiis in Borherst quam per Illariam que fuit mater ipsius Ricardi, que mesuagium illud tenuit in dotem de dono Ricardi quondam viri sui patris Roberti de Mucegros, cujus heres ipse est, quod mesuagium idem Robertus petit versus predictum Richardum sicut de eo unde pater suus fuit seisitus ut de feodo die quo obiit etc. Juratores dicunt quod predictus * ipsius Roberti obiit inde seisitus ut de feodo (etc.) et predictus Ricardus nullum jus nec aliud ingressum habuit in mesuagium illud nisi per predictam Illariam, que non habuit illud nisi in dotem. Et ideo consideratum est quod Robertus recuperavit seisinam suam: et Ricardus in miscericordia.
*I think there must be something missing here - "Robertus pater" - or words to that effect
As I read the extract, it shows that one Richard de Muscegros left a son and heir Robert, and a widow Hilary, who granted a messuage from her dower land to her son Richard de Muscegros, which Robert successfully claimed in 1232 - because being Muscegros land it should have reverted to him after Hilary's death.

     Robert de Muscegros was the son of Richard de Muscegros and Alice Dyve.
     Robert de Muscegros married Hawise Malet, daughter of Sir William Malet and Alice Basset, before 11 February 1220/21. Sir Robert and Hawise married between April 1220 and February 1220/1. She was the widow of Hugh Poyntz,of Curry malet, who died bef 4 April 1220.
     21/139 (09 June 1237) - 9 June. Rochester. Dorset. Order to the sheriff of Dorset to take into the king’s hand the land that Helewise, who was the wife of Robert de Muscegros , held in dower in Sutton Poyntz and to keep it safely until the king orders otherwise..
     Robert died before 29 January 1253/54 in Charlton, Somerset. He also had property at Brewham, Somerset. He was the subject of an Inquisition Post Mortem held on 29 January 1254/55. John de Mucegros is the next heir of the said Robert and he was aged 21 years on the Feast of St Laurence last past, to wit, in the 37th year of King Henry III.
     He was the Queen's seneschal. He held property in Ireland. In October 1275 his grandson, Sir Robert, handed over his castle of Bunratty in Ireland to the king, on condition that as soon as the contention between the king and his subjects in Ireland was settled, and the said Robert paid all expences for its repair, munition, upkeep, and custody while in the king's hand, that it be restored to him or his heirs; in March 1276, however, the king granted the castle to Thomas de Clare. Clare in turn granted the Irish properties back to Muscegros..

     Robert de Muscegros was born before 1200. He was the son of Richard de Muscegros and Hilary Folet.

     Ellen Musgrave married Ottiwell Rider Ryther on 21 September 1637 in Leeds, Yorkshire.

     George Musgrave married Anna Maria Colbert in 1859 in Victoria, Australia.

     James Musgrave married Sarah Elizabeth Popplewell, daughter of John Popplewell and Martha Green.