John Dunbar 1st (4th) Earl of Moray

(before 1354 - before 15 February 1391/92)
     John Dunbar 1st (4th) Earl of Moray was born before 1354 in Scotland. He was the son of Sir Patrick Dunbar and Isabella Randolph.
Cokayne states: John de Dunbar, younger brother of George (de Dunbar), Earl of March or Dunbar [S.], being 2nd son of Sir Patrick de Dunbar (nephew of Patrick, Earl of March and Dunbar and Moray [S.], abovenamed), by Isabel, younger. of the two daughters and coheirs (her issue before Nov. 1368 becoming sole heir) of Thomas (Randolph), 1st Earl of Moray [S.], abovenamed, was probably the John Dunbarre, vallet, who was in London in June 1369 with Master John de Carrick, Lord Privy Seal [S.], and other commissioners for the truce, and who swore, among the esquires present, to its observance at Edinburgh in July following. He was cr. Earl of Moray [S.] by his father-in-law, King Robert 11, 9 Mar. 1371/2. As Earl he swore to observe the Act of Settlement in the Parl. at Scone, 4 Apr. 1373; in Dec. 1381 he and his brother, the Earl of Dunbar, had safe conducts to pass through English dominions with 50 men and horses; he was chief of the Scottish commission which, in July 1384, met the English in Ayton church (near Berwick) to arrange terms of the truce. He fought at the battle of Otterburn, 10 Aug. 1388, and in July 1390 was a joint conservator of the truce on the Marches. In April 1390, following the example of several other Scottish knights who came to England to do feats of arms, he obtained a safe conduct for two months, to perform certain feats of arms to which he had challenged the Earl Marshal of England; in May received a considerable gift from Richard II and further protection; in June licence to journey to St John of Amiens, and in Dec. licence to remain in England for 6 months, afterwards prolonged to Mich. He married (disp. II July 137O) the Lady Marjorie Stewar, daughter of Robert II [S.], by his 1st wife, Elizabeth, daughter of Sir Adam Mure of Rowallan. He died before 15 Feb. 1391/2. His widow married before 24 Apr. 1403, Sir Alexander KEITH of Grandown. She was living 6 May 1417.
Records of Elgin p.16 - Protest against John de Dunbar, Earl of Moray re port of Spynie, 1369-94.
     The King also granted the Earl a pension of £100 furth of the customs of Elgin & Forres. On 1 May 1390 the Earl remitted the assise of ale to the Burgh. [Elgin records, p.17].
Paul states: DUNBAR, EARL OF MORAY. The earldom of Moray did not revert to the full possession of the Crown until after the death of Patrick, ninth Earl of Dunbar, in or about July 1368. On 9 March 137172 the earldom was re-granted to John Dunbar, second son of Sir Patrick Dunbar and Isabella Randolph, younger sister of John Randolph, third Earl of Moray. The new Earl was thus a grandson of the famous Randolph, but the territory was lessened by the districts of Lochaber and Badenoch, with the castle and barony of Urquhart, being deducted from the original grant, as also the gift of the great customs. The earldom was granted to John Dunbar and Marjorie Stewart, and to the longer liver of them, and their heirs, whom failing, to George Dunbar, Earl of March, and his heirs whomsoever. Nothing is known of John Dunbar's history before the death of King David II, except a notice on 21 June 1370 which seems to imply that he had been one of an embassy to England, apparently as 'vallet' or squire of Sir Robert Erskine.' After the accession of King Robert II. he and Sir Robert, with others, opposed the Earl of Douglas In his claim to the crown and persuaded him to agree to the coronation of the new King. He swore to maintain the settlement made of the crown on the Stewart family in 1373. He had on 26 August 1375 a grant of the thanage of Kintore, and of other lands at a later date, in the beginning of the reign of King Robert III. He had also pensions of £100 from the customs of Elgin and Forres, and the same sum from Aberdeen. In December 1379 his merchants and retainers were accused of plundering a wrecked vessel, laden with 'Skoone' herrings (probably from 'Schoueden' in Holland), and the owners were allowed to plunder a Flemish vessel in turn. He had a safe-conduct to England 15 December 1381. He was one of the Commissioners named in the treaty with England and France 7 July 1384, and of the money brought by Sir John de, Vienne from France the Earl received 1000 gold francs as his share. In the Parliament of April 1385 he complained of attacks and murder done on two of his vassals, a complaint which the Earl of Buchan was directed to inquire into, and to do justice. He was one of the Scottish nobles who took an active part against England, and a joint leader with the Earl of Douglas in the expedition which ended at Otterburn in August 1388. One chronicler says that the attack by Percy on the Scottish camp was so sudden that the Earl of Moray fought the greater part of the time without his helmet. He had a serious dispute with the Bishop of Moray, many complaints being made on both sides. The disputants appeared before the Regent Albany and others at Inverness 27 October 1389, and a decree was given settling the questions between them. He was present in January 1389-90 when his son undertook to defend the Bishop's territories, and on 13 August 1390 he and his brother-in-law, Alexander, Earl of Buchan, were specially forbidden to deal in any way with the bishop's castle of Spynie. He was still at Elgin on 1 May 1390, a date which, connected with various safe-conducts to and from England, for dates running between 16 March 1389-00 and 13 June 1391, has an Important bearing on the question of his death. It is usually stated that the Earl went to England to fight a duel with Thomas Mowbray, Earl of Nottingham, Earl Marshal, whom he had challenged. It is then added that he was wounded, and died at York on his way home. This story is found in a ms. Appendix to Higden's Polychronicon and in Caxton's continuation of Higden, with variations. The earlier story is that on 28 May (year not stated) the Earl of Nottingham and the Earl of Moray ran courses with sharp lances, and because the former held himself so much better than the Scottish Earl, praise was awarded to him. This is a simple narrative, but Caxton's is fuller and less complimentary to Moray. He says the Earl of Moray challenged the Earl Marshal to joust with sharp spears. They ran together, but not their full courses, as the Scottish Earl 'was cast, both horse and man, and two of his ribs broken with the same fall, and so borne home in to his inne, and anon after was carried homeward in a littyer and at York he diet.' The incident is said to have taken place in 1394, but this is a mistake, and the statements made as to the Earl's death are not borne out by the available evidence. The Earl received a safe-conduct on 16 March 1389-90 to fight the Earl of Nottingham, the conduct to be valid between 15 April and 20 June 1390, but, as indicated, he did not leave Scotland before 1 May, when he was in Elgin. On 30 May 1390 he had similar letters permitting passage to and fro in England, and on that day, or a few days before, having 'lately come' to England to joust with Nottingham, lie received from King Richard 200 marks sterling in money and a silver cup and ewer with gilt cover, in all, the sum of £139, 11s. 1d. sterling, Sir David Lindsay, Sir William Dalziel, and other Scottish knights also receiving gifts. On 10 June 1390 he had a safe-conduct to go on pilgrimage to the shrine of St. John of Amiens,' while, as stated, he is referred to on 13 August and 28 September as in Scotland. On 30 December same year he was apparently again in England, and on 13 June 1391 he had another safe conduct to go there. This is the last notice of him in life, and he was dead before 15 February 1391-92, when his son is styled Earl of Moray. He may have died at York, but the evidence that it was the result of wounds is insufficient.
John Dunbar 1st (4th) Earl of Moray married Marjory Stewart, daughter of Robert, II Stewart, King of Scotland and Elizabeth Mure, after 11 July 1370. The Earl married (in terms of a Papal dispensation dated 11 July 1370 [1371?]) his cousin Marjorie, a daughter of Robert, Earl of Strathearn, afterwards King Robert II, who survived him. She married, secondly, between 1391 and 1403, Sir Alexander Keith of Grandown, as appears from a Papal indult to him and her on 24 April 1403 to choose a confessor. She may have been the mother of Sir Alexander's daughter Christian, who married, about 1413, Sir Patrick Ogilvy (see title Airlie), but this is not certain. Her seal shows 'a lion rampant within a royal tressure.'
Dispensation by Pope Urban V, 11 July 1371. John was created Earl of Moray by his father-in-law King Robert "to our beloved son John Dunbar and Mariot his spouse our dearest daughter" on 9 March 1371/72.
Charter by George Dunbar, earl of March and lord of Annandale adn Man, to Sir John Edmundiston, kt, re land at Smale, etc. Witnessed by John Dunbar, earl of Moray, granter's brother.
Indenture between John Dunbar, earl of Moray, and Hugh Ross, laird of half the lands of Kynfaunis, whereby said Hugh resigns to said John his lands in earldom of Caithness with the castle of Dunbeth. At Edinburgh, 30 December 1387.
He fought at Otterburn in 1388.
     John died before 15 February 1391/92 in York, Yorkshire. He died after 13 June 1391 (when he again had safe conduct) but before 15 Feb 1391/2 when his son was Earl of Moray. He died from injuries sustained in a tournament where he was unhorsed by the Earl Marshal of England.

Children of John Dunbar 1st (4th) Earl of Moray and Marjory Stewart

John Adolphus Dunbar

(19 January 1890 - 12 November 1959)
     John Adolphus Dunbar was born on 19 January 1890 in Sale, Cheshire. He was the son of Edward Dunbar and Mary Jolley. John Adolphus Dunbar was christened on 21 February 1890 in St Anne, Sale, Cheshire. John Adolphus, privately baptised 21 Feb 1890, son of Edward & Mary Dunbar, of 17 South Grove, leather merchant. He was listed in the 1891 census with Edward Dunbar in Davenport Ave, Withington, Chorlton, Lancashire.
John Adolphus Dunbar served in the military He wa of Bracken Villa, B.. Altincham, aged 25 years , 11 months, clerk when he enlisted. #92409 Bdr Dunbar, PGA. A note stated the dependant of the above solder Mrs A E Brown, Barrington Rd, Altrincham, died 26 *, 18. The next of kin is Miss L Evans, 104 Ashlet Rd, Hales, Altrincham; inlcudes the death certificate of Annie Elizabeth St Aubyn Brown. on 2 December 1915.
John Adolphus Dunbar married Lilly Evans on 30 October 1918 in Bowden, Cheshire.
     John Adolphus Dunbar was recorded in 1939 census in 65 Parsonage Rd, Manchester, Lancashire. John A Dunbar, born 19 Jan 1890, Estate office manager, Lilly Dunbar born Oct 4 1894 aged 94 unpaid domestic duties, a closed record- presumably a child, William Evans, born 6 May 1863m widowed, Joiner, retired.
     John died on 12 November 1959 in Hale, Cheshire, aged 69. He was buried on 16 November 1959 in Manchester.
     His will was proved on 6 January 1960 at Manchester. John Adolphus Dunbar of 62 Beech Rd, Hale, Cheshire died 12 Nov 1959. Probate: Manchester 6 January to John Killigrew Dunbar hospiital administrator Effects £1147.

Rev John Archibald Dunbar

(8 October 1849 - 11 November 1905)
     Rev John Archibald Dunbar was born on 8 October 1849 in Sea Park, Kinloss, Moray. Birth, at Seapark, on Sunday the 7th ult, the Lady of Captain Dunbar Dunbar, of a son and heir. He was the son of Edward Dunbar Dunbar.
     John died on 11 November 1905 aged 56. He died without issue having married Louisa Cambray. He was a well-known philatelist.

John Charles Killigrew Dunbar

(1881 - 14 September 1934)
     John Charles Killigrew Dunbar was commonly known as Charles. He was born in 1881 in Dandenong, Victoria. He was the son of John Thomas Killigrew Dunbar and Margaret Ann Green.
     Charles served in the Army between November 1915 and 1919. He stated on enlistment that he was born at Dandenong, Victoria and that he was 35 years of age. He enlisted at Chermside Qld on 11 Nov 1915, allotted Army Number 2489 and the rank of trooper. Appointed shoeing smith on 12 November 1915. Embarked at Sydney for the Middle East with 7th squadron 2nd Australian remount Unit per HMAT "Orontes" on 20 November 1915. Promoted to Corporal on 17 June 1916. Admitted to the 14th General Hospital at Abbassia, sick, on 23 September 1916. Taken on strength of Details Camp at Moascar on 10 October 1916. Taken on strength of the 10th Light Horse Regiment on 18 December 1916. To rest camp at Port Said on 28 August 1917. Rejoined unit on 9 September 1917. Embarked for Australia per HT "Oxfordshire" at Kantala on 10 July 1919. Disembarked at Melbourne 13 Aug 1919 for onward movement to Brisbane where discharged 5 Oct 1919. Issued with the 1914/15 Star, British War Medal, & Victory Medal. He nominated his sister, Jean Dunbar of Pinshurst, Victoria as next of kin on his enlistment.
     John and Philip were registered as Charles Killigrew Dunbar, blacksmith & Philip O'Brien Dunbar, mechanic at 24 Ellingworth Pde, Box Hill, Victoria, on the 1919 electoral roll.
John Charles Killigrew Dunbar married Miriam Gregg in 1930 in Sydney, New South Wales.
John Joseph Dunbar met him in 1931 at Logans, considered taking JJD to the West with him. He was a blacksmith at Tocumwal; later went prospecting in New Guinea & WA. No more was ever heard of him. He was 6'8" tall however his service record gives his height as 5'11".
     John died of heart attack when tying up his shoes on 14 September 1934 in Carlton, Victoria. Dunbar. Sudddenly, at Melbourne, Charles John Killigrew Dunbar, late 10th Light Horse, AIF. loved husband of Miriam Dunbar, 20 Dalgety Street, St Kilda, late Darlinghurst.

John Handy Killigrew Dunbar

(19 April 1829 - 31 August 1853)
     John Handy Killigrew Dunbar was christened on 19 April 1829 in Bundoran, Inishmacsaint, Fermanagh/Donegal. He was the son of Rev John Dunbar and Frances Holmes Halahan.
     John died on 31 August 1853 in New Orleans, Louisiana, USA, aged 24. The Londonderry sentinel reported on the14 Oct 1853: On the 31st August, at New Orleans, of yellow fever, John H Killigrew Dunbar, fourth son of the Rev John Dunbar, Rector of Ballybay, county Monaghan.
This man may be the progenitor of the USA Dunbars with similiar DNA, but if a missionary seems unlikely?
The Belfast chronicle 12 Oct 1853 also reported the death of John Handy Killigrew of New Orleans ....

John Henry Dunbar

(5 January 1882 - 29 December 1969)
     John Henry Dunbar was born on 5 January 1882 in Ipswich, Queensland. He was the son of Frederick Killigrew Dunbar and Harriet Ledger.
John Henry Dunbar married Florence Beatrice Buckenham on 17 October 1906 in Ipswich, QLD.
     John and Florence were registered as John Henry Dunbar, clerk anfFlorence Beatrice, domestic duties. In 1909 they lived on the Liverpool Estate, North Ipswich and in 1910 they were at Stanton Cross at Ipswich, QLD, on the between 1908 and 1909 electoral roll.
     John was registered as John Henry Dunbar, clerk at Stanton Cross, Ipswich district, Queensland, on the 1910 electoral roll.
     John died on 29 December 1969 in St Leonards district, New South Wales, aged 87.

Children of John Henry Dunbar and Florence Beatrice Buckenham

John Joseph Desmond Dunbar

(10 December 1919 - 23 July 1994)
John Joseph Desmond Anthony Killigrew Dunbar (1919-1994)
     John Joseph Desmond Dunbar was born on 10 December 1919 in Box Hill, Victoria. He was brought up by his aunts after his mother's death in December 1932 when he was aged 13. He was the son of George Thomas Killigrew Dunbar and Margaret Mary Cullen.
     John served in the Army (VX11324) between 1940 and 1946. He enlisted at South Melbourne on 14 Feb 1940, giving his locality as Birchip and naming his father as next of kin. He served during World War II in the 2/6 Div, 2/6 battalion (17th Brigade) as a private soldier. He sailed for Palestine 13 April 1940 and served in the Middle East & Egypt then to Greece. He was taken prisoner there by German paratroopers. Imprisoned in Corinth, Salonica then to Stalag 18a at Wolfsburg (Karnton) Austria and assigned to work camps (32 in total). He escaped and was recaptured 3 times. Imprisoned at stalag 317 Markt Pongau (St Johann) until the Americans arrived in May 1945. Details to be added later. He was among the last European POWs to arrive back in England. On the 14th June 1945 VX11324 Pte J Dunbar, Australian Forces, was directed "to proceed from Westminster Hospital SW1 to 2nd 6th Btn, AIF Gloucester Club, 22 Sloane Gardens SW1 on Friday 15th June by 1300 hours". He arrived home via the "Mauritania" in early August, a week before the war ended in the Pacific. He was sent to Repatriation hospital, Heidelberg, then to Rockingham to convalesce and was discharged from the Army in Jan 1946.
UK Prisoner of War records list ihim in WO392/2 & WO 392/12 (Germany) series. John was a carpenter in 1946. On his return from the War he took a rehabilitation course as a coach builder. He did an apprenticeship in coach-building, working for Kellow-Falkiner, and studying at RMIT. He later worked as a cabinet maker/carpenter for builders.
     John resided at 5 Salisbury Street, Coburg East, between 1950 and 1958. He met Mum while living in Hawthorn in 1949.
Mary Phyllis MacKenzie married secondly John Joseph Desmond Dunbar on 24 September 1952 in the Registry Office, Melbourne, Victoria. They were of 5 Salisbury Street, Coburg.
     John resided at 14 Kirbister Street, Pascoe Vale, between 1958 and 1994.
     John resided at 22 St Andrew's Road, Shepparton, between 1969 and 1970. He was working in the district as a builder for Leighton Homes.
     John died of cancer on 23 July 1994 in his home, 14 Kirbister Street, Pascoe Vale, Victoria, aged 74. He was cremated on 26 July 1994 in Fawkner Crematorium. His ashes were later scattered in the country near Pyalong.
     His will was proved on 12 December 1995 at Victoria.

John Killigrew Dunbar

(28 December 1838 - 21 March 1913)
     John Killigrew Dunbar was born on 28 December 1838 in Bellary, Karnataka, Madras Presidency, India. He was the son of Capt Frederick Dunbar and Emma Kane. John Killigrew Dunbar was christened on 2 January 1839 in Bellary.
     John Killigrew Dunbar and Frederick Killigrew Dunbar arrived with George Killigrew Dunbar and Capt Frederick Dunbar on 13 December 1842 at Victoria, Australia.
     John resided at Clarence River, New South Wales, from about 1845.
     John Killigrew Dunbar was listed with Capt Frederick Dunbar on the passenger list of the "Christina" arriving at Sydney on 31 October 1846. Capt Dunbar, Mr John Dunbar, Mr Frederick Dunbar, from Melbourne.
John Killigrew Dunbar moved to Queensland circa 1880.
He was mentioned in his father's letters and was accused of setting fire to a neighbour's crop as part of his father's grievances.
A J Dunbar held 830 acres of land and 15 horses, 6 cattle and 1400 sheep at Cooroora near Goonoo Goonoo in NSW in 1885. He left no issue..
John K Dunbar wrote again to the Immigration Agent re his father's application for admission to the Dunwich Asylum ... he has got so very bad that he could not stand the journey down. For it is with great difficulty that I can move him at all, even from the bed to the chair or even to turn him over in the bed ... so weak and I really think it would kill him to shift him in the state he is at present .... some late time when he .... stronger and able to stand the journey. I might take him down with me... Thank you for your kindness... John K Dunbar.
     John resided at Eight Mile Plains, Queensland, from about 1898. He was admitted to Dunwich, Queensland, on 15 January 1901. The Dunwich Asylum records: John Killigrew Dunbar aged 62, was admitted Jany 15 1901, from Eight Mile Plains, cause of admission - Rheumatism, Born Bellary, India, religion CE, trade - labourer, education: R & W, Father: Frederick Dunbar, Capt 39th Regt, mother - Emma Kane; not married, no children. History: Came to Australia 1841, resided in Melbourne, there 12 months, then to Sydney, their 12 months & then to Clarence River in.... Then to Queensland 20 years on various stock man or horse.... in Rosewood district. Last 2 years in Tiviot Junction, Eight Mile Plains looking after horses. No money, no property, no relatives.
     John was registered at Dunwich on the between 1903 and 1913 electoral roll.
     John died on 21 March 1913 in Queensland, Australia, aged 74.

John Killigrew Dunbar

(12 April 1816 - 11 May 1828)
     John Killigrew Dunbar was born on 12 April 1816 in Dublin, Ireland. He was the son of Rev John Dunbar and Frances Holmes Halahan. John Killigrew Dunbar was christened on 23 April 1816 in St Peter, Dublin.
     John died on 11 May 1828 in York St, Dublin, aged 12. On the 11 inst in York St, John Killigrew Dunbar, eldest son of Rev John Dunbar, aged 12 years & 1 month.

Major John Killigrew Dunbar

(16 May 1769 - 19 February 1854)
     Major John Killigrew Dunbar was born on 16 May 1769 in Dublin, Ireland. He was later described as the step-brother of Earl of Normanton. He was the son of George Dunbar and Martha St Aubyn. Major John Killigrew Dunbar was christened on 15 June 1769 in St Mary, Dublin. John, son of Geo: Dunbar, Esq & Martha his wife. He was mentioned in a conveyance of property on 5 February 1780. Articles of agreement dated 5 Feb 1780, made between George Dunbar of the one part, and William Hamilton of the other part, the said George Dunbar did grant, etc, unto the said William Hamilton and to his heirs and assigns, the town and lands of Carrins, Drimanure, Rusheen, Gortins, Garrison, and Trevagh, together with the Mills of Garrison, and the toll, and sucken, and mulcture thereof, and the yearly coming, arising and growing, due in and out of all and every part and parcel of the Manor of Kilcoo, in the county of Fermanagh; and all the water and watercourses to the said mills, or either of them belonging, together with the tolls and customs of the fairs and markets of Garrison, situate in the Manor of Kilcoo, co Fermanagh. To hold to the said William Hamilton his heirs and assigns, for ever, subject to the yearly rent of £152 10/-. By deed of partition dated 31 Jan 1839 ... payable out of the said lands to the Representatives of the late George Dunbar.
     John was educated from from 31 March 1783 to 1787 at the Quaker School, Ballitore, Kildare. He left the Ballitore Quaker School soon after the death of his mother in 1787 at Griesebanks, Ballitore, Kildare. Master J K Dunbar was a subscriber to "The history of Ireland" by Wm Crawford published 1783.
     He served as a Major in the British Army from 26 Dec 1787. He was appointed Ensign 63rd Regt 26 Dec 1787-1789 (applications for commissions commence 1793), Lt John K Dunbar 69th Regt (Sth Lincs) 30 Sep 1790; Capt 69th 1793-99 31 Oct 1792, Major 83rd 1800-c1807. 1794 Capt John Cane Dunbar 69th Regt (Sth Lincs); [Army lists]. 1800 Major J Killigrew Dunbar 1 Jan 1800 69th &. To be majors in the Army - J K Dunbar 31 Oct 1792 69th Regt [WO31/92, Commission applications not listed 12 Mar 1801 WO31/107]; 1801 12 March to 83rd Regt of Foot Ja Killigrew Dunbar; 1803 Maj J Killigrew Dunbar [SLV Army list]. He was not listed in the 1806, 1809 & 1811 Army lists.
     The 83rd (Co. of Dublin) Regiment was raised in 1793 by Col. W Fitch, from 1795 to 1823 it was commanded by Col. Balfour as the 83rd Regiment. It is now known as the Royal Irish Rifles..
     Major John Killigrew Dunbar was mentioned in a deed dated 22 December 1790. George Dunbar of Ballycarney, co. Carlow, but then of Dublin City, Esq & John Killigrew DunbarEsq, only son & heir apparent of George, for the considerations and purposes mentioned assigned to George Whally of St Bancorss [Pancras?], Mdx the personal fortune of Martin Killigrew, deceased, in Great Britain £7505 for the purposes mentioned. Robert Weir Esq, of Dublin, was mentioned along with Charles Kiligrew deceased, late of Cg=harles St, St James, Westminster.
     Major John Killigrew Dunbar and Helena Nash obtained a marriage licence on 19 September 1795 in Dublin. He was described as of Fermanagh and she was from the parish of St Thomas in Dublin.
Major John Killigrew Dunbar married Helena Nash, daughter of Andrew Nash and Margaret Drew, on 25 September 1795 in St Thomas Church of Ireland, Dublin, Ireland. An unknown person was listed as Captain J Killigrew Dunbar,the 69th (Sth Lincs) Regiment in a directory dated in 1798.
Major John Killigrew Dunbar served in the military when he was appointed a Major in the 83rd Regiment of Foot. He was stationed at Deal on 1 January 1800. The Hampshire telegraph on 13 Jan 1800 reported Captains... J Killigrew Dunbar, of the 69th ditto. They were obviously stationed in Jamaica as evidenced by the baptism of his daughter Margaret there. The Regiment was ordered back to England in 1802..
83rd [Regt], Brevet Major J. Killigrew Dunbar, from the 69th Foot, to be Major, vice White, deceased.
According to EHV Dunbar in a letter to John K Dunbar dated 9 Jan 1911 the first step taken by the Major on leaving the army in 1804 was to serve a writ of ejectment on Lord Loftus to quit a property in Devonshire ....
     Major John Killigrew Dunbar was party to a land transaction on 10 June 1805 in Kilcoe/Kilcoo?, Fermanagh, Ireland. Lease and release dated 10 June 1805 made between John Killigrew Dunbar, Major in HM 8th Register of Foot & Robert Weir of the city of Dublin, Esq., where JKD granted, bargained, sold, assigned & released unto Robert Weir ... the town and lands of Slatnagh / Slahnaigh situate in the manor of Kilcoe & co. Fermanagh ... to Robert Weir ... subject to the annual rent of £45.. He was widowed on 29 March 1806 on the death of his wife Helena Nash.
     John resided at Jersey, Channel Islands, UK, 1807.
     John was a plaintiff in a civil court case between 1807 and 1813. Dunbar v. Weir & Tredennick, 1807 cited in following case: May 18-19 1813 High Court of Justice (Ireland), Chancery Division: Major J K Dunbar, plaintiff, Tredennick deft: Plaintiff seeks to record possession of a certain manor of Kilcoe, co. Fermanagh & to have set aside certain fee farm grants totalling about 700 acres conveyed by his father Major George Dunbar & himself to R Weir, his attorney & agent, plaintiff alleging that the ... of ... had been obtained by ... by fraud. Plaintiff also claims an account of rents received ... under a deed of 11 December 1792, executed by plaintiff (having come of age in 1790) his father (Major George Dunbar) ... & ... all the English estates vested in ... had been sold but the proceeds had not (May 1813) been remitted by the English agents & until the costs had been ascertained the residue would not be remitted.
In 1792 plaintiff being ordered abroad with his regiment, with his father executed the said deed to Weir, but did not appreciate its significance. He remained abroad until 1807 (being at Jersey that year) when his father died and he returned to England. Meanwhile for £3400 Weir had conveyed the manor to defendant Tredennick. Plaintiff looked into the circs (circumstances?) of the execution by himself and his late father of the deed of conveyance to Weir & was allege... was obtd from him & his father by fraud.
Held that ex... to deed of 11 Dec 1792 was obtd by fraud by Weir, that plaintiff was entitled to recover possession and an account against defendant and all costs.
N.B. Robert Weir was said to be an illegitimate son of Major Geo Dunbar.
Ball & Beatty reports: Chancery, Ireland 1807-1814. Printers. R Milliken (Dublin), H Butterworth, 7 Fleet St London. Vol. printed 1824
     John resided at Clanbrassil Avenue, Dublin, Dublin, Ireland, from 1808 to 1822. He was living in the parish of St Peter's Dublin from 1808 to 1822; 1817-1822 the Clanbrassil Ave, Dublin is address given in St Peter's register. 1822 directory Maj Dunbar, 1 Clanbrassil Place, Dublin. But at his son George's entry to Kings Inns in 1817, he was described as of Garrison, co. Fermanagh.
Saunder's newsletter on 28 April 1810 advertised a 'Caution': John Killigrew Dunbar Esq. against Robert Weir, solicitor and others: Having been informed that measures are taking for disposing of the landed and other property of Robert Weir, late of Capel-street, in the city of Dublin, Attorney, a defendant in this cause; I hereby give this public notice, that I have obtained a conditional decree, on sequestration in this cause, in the Court of Chancery, against the said Robert Weir, which I am proceeding to enforce; wherof all persons concerned are desired to take notice. Dublin April 27 1810. John K Dunbar.
Letter from John Killigrew Dunbar, Dublin, dated 9 Oct 1815 to John Charles Maude about Dunbar-Archdall family connections exists in the Publiic Record Office of Northern Ireland.
Major John Killigrew Dunbar married Jane Mary Vivian circa 1821. Having cohabited or been married under other laws. In 1911 E H V Dunbar wrote the story is not a savoury one. It would seem that my grandfather married his second wife firstly with French, Jersey or Scotch law, and secondly some years before my father was born, he again married her with Church of England rites. At any rate, she had her jointure out of the Garrison estate, I lived with her until 1864. Only Henry H V was able to inherit from the Killigrew estate, the elder children by the second marriage being considered illegitimate. Joyce gives 1806 as a marriage date.
He was a magistrate for county Fermanagh 1821-1826, also 1831-32. Major John Killigrew Dunbar was summoned for jury duty on 13 September 1821 in Fermanagh. Grand Jury, Fermanagh Assizes, led by Hon Justice Barton.
The Parliamentary report of the Commissioner for relief of the poor in Ireland under Fermanagh shows: Paid Major Dunbar, for district of Lough Melve, 16 July 1822 £30.
Major John Killigrew Dunbar was listed in a directory dated 1823 as Major Dunbar at 1 Clanbrassil place, Dublin.
Papers relative to building church in parish of Devenish, in county of Fermanagh: re-building of a Parish Church, or Chapel of Ease, at Garrison, in the parish of Devenish ; addressed to John Killigrew Dunbar, Esq.
No. 1. Copy of a memorial from several of the inhabitants of the Protestant inhabitants of Kilcoe in the parish of Devenish, respecting the rebuilding of a praish chuch or chapel of ease
N° 2.—Copy of a Letter from John Killigrew Dunbar, Esq. to the Right Rev. the Lord Bishop of Clogher; dated Clanbrassel Place, 31st March 1823.
N° 3.—Copy of a Letter from John Killigrew Dunbar, Esq. to the Right Rev. the Lord Bishop of Clogher; dated 9th April 1823.
N° 4.—Copy of a Letter from John Killigrew Dunbar, Esq. to the Right Rev. the Lord Bishop of Clogher; dated Garrison House, 21st June 1823
No 5.—Copy of a Letter from John Killigrew Dunbar, Esq. to the Right Rev. the Lord Bishop of Clogher ; dated 29th January 1823.
John Killigrew Dunbar of Garrison of was High Sheriff of Fermanagh in 1823 and again in Dec 1824.
Scott et al against Dunbar & Kane: Upon reading the petition and appeal of Archibald Scott of Garrison, co. Fermanagh, gentleman, and Barbara Scott, ootherwise Hamilton, his wife; the Rev Andrew Young of Garrsion, clerk, and Mary Ann Young otherwise Hamilton, his wife; Thomas Saunders of the city of Dublin, gentleman and Jane Suanders otherwise Hamilton, his wife; and William Alexander Graydon, a minor under the age of 21, by Charles John Graydon of said city, gentleman, his father and next firend, complaining of 2 decrees of orders of the court of Chancery in Ireland, on the 4th & 16th of July 1821; and praying that the same might be reversed, that the appellants mayhave such rrelief in the premises, as to this House ... shall seem meet; and that John Killigrew Dunbar of the City of Dublin, Esquire, and John Daniel Kane, now of Mountjoy Parade in the county of Dublin, Esquire, may be required to answer the said appeal.
It is ordered that the said KJD and JDK may have a copy of the said appeal, and do put in their answer or respective answers thereunto in writing, on or before Friday 11 March next.
Scott et al against Dunbar & Kane... Upon reading the Petition of John Killigrew Dunbar and John Daniel Kane, respondents in a Cause depending in this House, to which Archibald Scott and others ....have not been delivered.
John K Dunbar was listed as member of the Grand Jury for the Enniskillen Assizes in July 1823.
Published in the Parliamentary Papers 1824: Papers relative to building a church in the parish of Devenish, in county of Fermanagh... respecting the re-bilding of a second church, or Chapel of Ease, near the village of Garioch in said parish ...
... Copy of a letter from Right Rev the Bishop of Clogher tothe Rt Hon Henry Goulbourn, inclosing: -
1. Copy of a memorial from several of the Protestant inhabitants of Kilcow, in the parish of Devenish, respecting the re-building of a parish church, or Chapel of Ease, at Garrison, in the parish of Devenish; addressed to John Killigrew Dunbar, esq.
2. Copy of a letter from John Killigrew Dunbar, esq. to the Bishop, dated Clanbrassel Place, 31 March 1823.
3. Copy of a letter from John Killigrew Dunbar, esq. to the Bishop, dated Clanbrassel Place, 9 April 1823.
4. Copy of a letter from John Killigrew Dunbar, esq. to the Bishop, dated Garrison House, 21 June 1823.
5. Copy of a letter from John Killigrew Dunbar, esq. to the Bishop, dated 29 January 1823.
6. Copy of a communication from the Rev Hume Lawler, incumbent of the parish of Devenish.
JKD stated that he wished th98e new church to be built at Kilcoe rather than at Garrison. Garrison was chosen but he also refused to either join his opponents in making a joint grant of the lands in Garrison, or to execute a separate grant, unless the Bishop undertakes not to accept a grant from his opponents. The curate of Garrison Rev Andrew Young, formerly resided in the house now occupied by Mr Dunbar, near Garrison, but being no longer permitted to reside there, and being unable to procure a residence in the village of Garrison, or within the parish, he now resides at Belleek, within two miles of the parish.
The memorial to JKD, from the Protestant inhabitants of Kilcoe on your estate ....understanding that a grant for building the church at Garrison (also on your estate), was made in the year 1817 ... to prevent (they prefer Kilcoe) May 18 1822.
Letter no, 2 mentions that he had built a school house on his estate.
Letter no. 4 mentions the original Dunbar or Garrison estate, so called from its being fortified against the rebels by my family, as in the patent preserved (and now in my possession) much of the lands are specified by name, as well in Lord Ely's General Archdall's and Colonel Hamilton's estates merged into their respective families by marriage connections. The weakness of my father, and his connection with his first wife's family (she being the mother to the Archbishop of Dublin, Agar) and residing far from this property, made him the dupe of designing persons here, who by their fraud and management, became rich while he became poor, and more than twenty years, most foreign and hard service in the Army, permitted every advantage to be taken of me, so that when I came to take possession of my property (one of the oldest grants in this county) I had to contend for almost every inch of it by the more severe service of legal procedure. As a resident gentleman and a magistrate, wishing in my retiring days to render to my country now all the little services I can, I trust ... to forward the purposes of religion, and support my own rights...
Letter no 5 mentions the falling in of the church of Garrison about 5 years since ... Having impeached the lease of that part of my estate where the church had alwasy been, until I succeeded in breaking it in 1821 ... offer any other part of my estate. He High Sheriff of Fermanagh, Ireland, in 1825. Nov 20 1824: Names of gentlemen returned by the Judges of Assize to serve the office of High Sheriff for the coming year: Fermanagh - John Killigrew Dunbar of Garrsion, Church-hill; with two others.
The Southern Reporter and Cork Commercial Courier on 22 Dec 1825 reported: John Killigrew Dunbar, Esq., of Garrison House, Fermanagh, had addressed a lertte to the Lord Bisop of Clogher, complaining that the grant of £900, by the Board of First Fruits, 1817, for building a church in the county, has not been since carried into effect, to the very great inconveneience of a numerous body of Protestants near Garrison.
The Enniskillen chronicle and Erne Packet on the same date stated ... great distance from the parent church at Monea in the parish of Devenish ... I have already stated their want of a place of worship - for now, eight years. Theyhave no burial ground, and their dead are obliged to taken for interment ot another county, where no clergyman is bound to attend. They certianly have a curate, but he neither resides int eh parish nor in the county, and the inconvenient distances, with other impedigiments, render his services on emergency difficult to obtain. .... To some way obviate this I long since offered the use of the school house I had built in the centre of this chapelry, adn of my Estate - and immediately in the vicingage of the Protestatns (capable of contining the entire of the congregations) until such time as a place of worship should be built...Your Lordship's mst obedient huble servant, John Killegrew Dunbar, Garrison House, Dec 11, 1825.
The Christian examiner and Church of Ireland magazine, vo. II Jan-June 1826 in the Domestic religious intelligence section reported: John Killigrew Dunbar, Esq. of Garrison House, Fermanagh, has addressed a letter to the Archbishop of Clogher, complaining that the grant of £900, by the Board of First Fruits, in 1817, for building a church in that county, has not been since carried into effect, to the very great inconvenience of a numerous body of Protestants, near Garrison.
1 Feb 1826. Chief Secretary's Office. Copy of memorial of Major John Killigrew Dunbar, Dublin, to [Prince Frederick], the Duke of York, Field Marshal and Commander in Chief, seeking military positions for his two sons, Charles and Frederick, both of whom have been educated in Trinity College Dublin. Noting that he served in the 83rd Regiment from 1786 to 1806 in the Peninsular Wars and in the West Indies and mentioning members of his family who also served in the army. Adding that he is involved in costly legal cases in an attempt to gain possession of lands in County Fermanagh, originally granted to an ancestor, Sir John Dunbar in 1616. Including a copy of a testimonial of Sir John Dunbar, from the Duke of Marlborough, to the then Secretary of State, dated 8 July 1716. Exent1 item; 2pp.
Journals of the House of Lords, Volume 58 in 1826 mentions Dunbar & Kane re setting aside a deed of 1780; p.68.
16 May 1826-16 Jul 1827. Creator: Chief Secretary's Office.
File of papers relating to copy of memorial of Maj John Killigrew Dunbar, Clonbrassil Place, Dublin, to [Richard] Wellesley, Lord Lieutenant, seeking employment for his son Patrick as expectant guager in the excise department, a position vacated by another son, Frederick, who is now serving in the 87th Regiment of Foot. Includes letters from: Maj Dunbar, 46 Cuff Street, Dublin, to Gen Archibald, Grove, Emo, [County Laois]; Archibald to William Gregory, Under Secretary; and Maj Dunbar to Gregory. Annotation on reverse indicates Patrick has been recommended for the position.
Date10 May 1826: Chief Secretary's Office. Memorial of John Killigrew Dunbar, Clanbrassil Place, [Dublin], to [Richard] Wellesley, Lord Lieutenant, seeking a civil position and noting that he served for nearly 20 years in the army and held the rank of major in the 83rd Regiment of Foot. Claiming that he was required to leave the military in order to devote himself to the near ‘destruction of his proper inheritance’ and noting that he has nine children to support. Includes annotation stating that it is not possible to grant his request. Exent1 item; 2pp.
4-6 August 1827. Chief Secretary's Office. Letter from John Killigrew Dunbar, 46 Cuff Street, Dublin, to Richard Wellesley, Lord Lieutenant, seeking employment in some suitable situation, in light of his previous service as Major in the army..
30 Aug 1827 letter from 46 Cuffe St Dublin to Gen Mervyn Archdall, MP: - To have given you any trouble in answering my last, was not by any means my intention. It went merely to state the dread I had but too much reason to apprehend of unfavourable impressions being endeavoured at prejudicial to me, and as some matter you might have considered at least extraordinary, had it reached you (however convinced you would not attend to it). I thought (as I do now) that you should at any rate know something of it from myself. How far the ingenuity of propagation to injure both me and my cause may have gone, I can have but by report, but as part of that report has been such as to extremely distress me, I feel warranted (as some way connected in it) to give it to you, without any desire, I assure you, to trouble you, but as some excuse for the liberty I have already taken; and as this cannot do any harm, and may from probably some information in it not be unacceptable, permit me to put you in possession of a little narrative connected with both our families.
     An absurd, false and mischievous report has reached me, that as a common disturber of property in Fermanagh I had an idea of extending my views, even to some parts of yours and Colonel Montgomerys; a matter that, even could there have been a shadow of original legal grounds for, must confound me with the most ignorant in your counry in respect to time, and which I conclude has originated in researches I have had to make on my title (and this is actually so true, that I have been visited, for the purpose of leading me astray, by the most ridiculous kind of information, and I conclude for the intent of giving colour to the fabrication I allude to). Some connection subsisting between us will I trust plead in excuse for sending you the result of my enquiries, which if you can in any way correct will oblige me considerably.
Landed property in those days was not held in the same hereditary view as now, and estates appear to have been partitioned as portions to sons or daughters, either in the lifetime of the donor or by will established, previous to the .. of lineal heirship to secure the property in the elder branch of the family and thus accounts for the disposition of the grant of James ye first, we are concerned in, the patent of which, under the King's signature, is now in my possession, and my title deed, and has been always with those I am immediately descended from, but which can give me no kind of claim or title to more than that partition handed down to me in heirship, and therefore every invidious story circulated has nothing but the grossest folly and wickedness to support it, with the manifest intention of creating feelings likely to disturb every sentiment of interest and regard. Therefore on this head, should any matter of this nature have reached either you or Col. Montgomery, as it has myself, all I have to say on the occasion is, that the circumstance, as far as I am concerned, has not the least similitude to fact; no more then than I believe an allegation I have now to meet in my cause, that Robert Weir (a character well known in Fermanagh and elsewhere), and consequently the Hamiltons, late of Garrison, are relatives of mine, - an honor I really do not aspire to, and for what reason brought in legal charge now I cannot conceive. Consequently any information on this head will be most desirable, as it has put me to the proof of my family, whose genealogy you have with this, as far as from documentary evidence I have been able to acquire it, at great labour and expense, made necessary from the many frauds committed on my father and myself, and my military absence having been taken such advantage of, as to oblige me to a continual legal contest for more than twenty years, and to relinquish a profession I was particularly attached to and had on service acquired some character in, and where, had I been able to remain, I would have been now in the list of Lieutenant Generals, instead of the list of supplicants for any employment for myself or a large family of ten children, with too many of the children of the Law to maintain.
     To come to the historic part, James ye first granted to three officers, high in consideration (namely, the ancestor of the Florencecourt family, the Hume family, and to Sir John Dunbar, knight banneret), that part of Fermanagh from Lough Melvin to and into Inniskillen, divided nearly equal, the Leitrim side to the first, the Erne side to the second, and the centre slip (we are concerned in) to the latter; which they had to fight for, first against the Maguire, Prince of Fermanagh, and the mere Irish, as in Patent so stated, and next with the Church, who came in for a large share, but without bloodshed. Major John Dunbar defended the pass against the Leitrim rebels & built the first barracks in Fermanagh on the borders of Lough Melvin, hence that post, formerly Killawhoe, took the name of Garrison. His son, also Major John Dunbar, raised men in Fermanagh, (which the Patent permits for the King's service), and march'd to Carlow, where he had some connections, and defended the Castle there against the army of James 2nd and the rebels, and got a grant from William 3rd of an estate there, Ballycarney, which my father sold to a Mr Vicars in 1767. The rest is detailed in the annexed pedigree, made particularly ...... of Majors but ... amongst the first protestant settlers in that county, where I must consequently from its respectability be anxious to hold a stake in, and truly have fought for, but the harrassing I have had to encounter, and want of ammunition, may (good as my cause) leave my possessions a prey to the enemy; but while there remains a drop of the blood of my ancestors in me, I will fight it out. Excuse this too long intrusion, and don't take any trouble in replying to it, unless you may be able to give me any serviceable information, in correcting any part in which I may be astray, which I am convinced your good and kind feeling for me will induce you to do if necessary or in your power.
     As to the former Hamiltons of Garrison, I never heard of any particular respectability attached to them and I believe the father of old Patrick Hamilton was an honest and industrious pedlar, who first got on my estate from continually attending the fair at Garrison, and really never heard that anyone belonging to him was connected in the Dunbar family. The only consolation I have in this very long trespass is, that if it does no good, it can do no harm in the little history it presents of a part of that County you are, I believe, one of the Governors of, and its representative, which that in both you may long remain, in the sincere wish of, My dear Sir, Your faithful & obedient servant John K Dunbar
3 Jul 1830-5 Jul 1830. Creator: Chief Secretary's Office.
Letter from Maj John Milligan [Killigrew] Dunbar, [magistrate], Dublin [originally County Fermanagh], to [Archdeacon] Thomas Singleton, [private secretary to Hugh Percy, 3rd duke Northumberland, Dublin], enclosing an intended affidavit by Arthur Snow, Harold’s Cross, County Dublin, bailiff of Dunbar, reporting that he and James [Mehan], also bailiff, were not able to serve Dunbar’s tenantry at Slattinagh, [County Fermanagh] with warrants, singling out William O’Neill and ] Fowler, mentioning John McDermick, magistrate.
Exent2 items; 5pp.
He may have been the John Dunbar, Protestant denomination, of Kingstown, Dubllin who petitioned for the repeal of the legislative union between Gr Britain and Ireland.
He sold all his property in Fermanagh to General Mervyn Archdall according toIrish equity reports, v 3. Ireland. High Court of Chancery, Ireland. Rolls Court: Chapman vs Dunbar.
     Major John Killigrew Dunbar was mentioned in a civil court action in June 1840. Sarah Chapman petitioner & John Killigrew Dunbar, respondent. The petition in this matter stated, that on the 15 July 1828, the respondent John Killigrew Dunbar, then of Garrison, Fermanagh, passed his bond & warrant of attorney for confessing judgment thereon signed John K Dunbar to the petitioner, in the penal sum of £299.4.0 to secure her payment of £114.12.0 with legal interest... until the year 1832 continued to be seized in fee simple of certain lands therein particlarly mentioned and situate in county Fermanagh; and that in the year 1832, he sold all his estate in the said lands to General Mervyn Archdall to take the rents issues and profits thereof during his life, and that the said Colonel Wm Archdall, as such devisee was now in possession of the said lands ... It further appeared that in 1765, Geroge Dunbar, the respondent's father, uonder whom he derived as heir=at-law, in consideration of £1000 mortgaged the lands in fee .....
     Major John Killigrew Dunbar in Abbeville, France, sent a letter dated 20 February 1842 to Capt Frederick Dunbar. From Abbeville in France, John Dunbar wrote to his son Captain Frederick Dunbar, late 39th Foot, 2 Camden Terrace, Camden town, London: My dear Frederick, I would not have been so long without acknowledging your kind and affectionate letter of 23 December last and thanking you for, to me, a most valuable present of Lundy Foot?, but first I had thought that your letter had been written on the day of your departure, and that any communication from me would not have got to you at this side of the line and I was only acquainted of your being 'delayed' when from a nervous attack combined with gout I was till this moment unable to hold a pen! I seize this first opportunity of, as far as in my power (for I am by no means certain this will now reach you) to assure you and which I trust there in your mind) and can be no reason for doubting that to my heart you are the same beloved son you ever were and that its best wishes are for your health, happiness and prosperity in whatever undertaking you embrace! As to the gloomy part of separation, we must be Men and bear with resignation the good and evils of the World - of the latter I have had my share in disappointments and manifold vexations! but providence has been kind to me and strengthens my mind to be contented under its wisdom! and to attain a great age, & have reason to be thankful when I have to state that my constitution has not given away under an afflicting series of accidents and misfortunes, & that I am at this moment, with the exception of a shortened leg by rheumaticks, as in general health as I have been for many years, but from a weakness of nerve, subject to very distressing attacks of agitation. When surprised by any matter calling to my mind the 'Lang Teine'; but they last not long! and being in the want of kindness & care about me. I battle the twitch? very well and determined to happy and quiet if I can. I most commonly ... better than I could have supposed. My appetite good and my sleep refreshing; not a sous in debt in France. Not an attorney to distract my repose! I give you this 'notes? of .... to you interesting detail/actuel!. For my dear Frederick, as long as memory holds her .... I cannot forget the kindness of your attendance & nursing of your poor old father. & may God of his infinite mercy and goodness reward you ..., as well in this as in another better world is the ... prayer of your affectionate father, though I almost despair of this getting to you in England. I conclude there may be some chance of its following you, I need not say that wherever you may be I shall ever be happy to hear from you. If you again go to Sydney, pray make my affectionate regards to my old respected friend Major Ross. I ever found him a sincere friend & excellent soldier and my best wishes & regards attend him. If you have not yet departed home, I have not to say I expect to hear from you. I trust your children & your friends about you are well. My love and regards attend them. Now my dear Frederick, I must say adieu. Not being able to say more just now. Without perhaps producing excitement better kept at a distance. God in Heaven bless you and yours.
Should you correspond with ... tell him on receipt of his kind note I am and could not meet him as expected through here. I but conclude he must/have? got it.
I am still anxious not to have my evidence known to anyone, but yourself and George.
Your ever affectionate father
John K Dunbar
He was described as of Garrison House, Belleek when his son went to TCD.
     He held land at Chelmsford, Essex which was sold and a rough draft signed by George K Dunbar, John K Dunbar and Lord Dover was in the possession of Edward Stott in 1910.
     A letter from Ted Stott to J D Dunbar in 1911 mentions that Major JKD was at loggerheads with his second wife" and that he died at Abbeville, France, sometime in the early 50's I think. The Essex property was sold in 1790 or thereabouts and regarding the other property, he was involved in a heavy lawsuit - and to all appearances came off second best.
     John died on 19 February 1854 in Abbeville, Somme, France, aged 84. Died, On the 19th February, at the house of Monsieur Antoinne, Rue Rivage, Abbeville, where he had resided for years, in the 85th year of his age, Major John Killigrew Dunbar, late of Her Majesty's 83rd Regiment of Foot, and formerly of Garrison, county Fermanagh and Clanbrassil Place, Dublin.
There is no will recorded at PCC between 1852 and 1857.

Children of Major John Killigrew Dunbar and Helena Nash

Children of Major John Killigrew Dunbar and Jane Mary Vivian

John Thomas Killigrew Dunbar

(13 October 1852 - 1 February 1921)
     John Thomas Killigrew Dunbar was commonly known as Jack. He was born on 13 October 1852 in Melbourne, Victoria. It was claimed that he was born at Wethersdane on Pound Rd in 1851. He was the son of George Killigrew Dunbar and Anne Potter Watt. John Thomas Killigrew Dunbar was christened on 25 May 1853 in the Independent Church, Melbourne, Victoria. John Thos Killigrew Dunabr, son of George & Ann, born 13 Oct 1852, baptised 25 May 1853, born Melbourne.
John Thomas Killigrew Dunbar was listed in a directory dated 1870 as a wheelwright at Walker Street, Dandenong, Victoria. John was a coachbuilder from 1873, in Dandenong, Victoria. As a youth he was apprenticed to John Hemmings as a coachbuilder and general blacksmith and later leased that well-known business. In 1873 John K Dunbar bought the wheelwright & blacksmith business from John Hemmings and for some time kept the old premises in Pultney St, but later removed to a small shop next door to A Griffiths on the corner of Main & Foster Sts. Later he and Mr Hemmings again joined forces and adopted the style of Dunbar & Hemmings.
He was a member of the local football team in 1874 & 77 and also hunted and sang.
Private advertisements: Dissolution of partnership: Notice is hereby given that the partnership between the undersigned John Hemmings & John Killigrew Dunbar in the trade or business of coachbuilders, of Dandenong under the style or firm of "Hemmings & Dunbar" was this day dissolved by mutual consent; and in future the business will be carried on by John Hemmings ... 27 Nov 1874.
He advertised from 1875 in the Dandenong paper. He was sole agent for Dandenong-Australasian Bone Mille Co. (6 Feb 1878).
John Thomas Killigrew Dunbar served in the military in the Army in February 1878. He was appointed Sergeant in the Southern Troop of Light Horse. He was a publican in Dandenong from August 1878 to 1882. He was described as being the new proprietor of the Bridge Hotel, "almost a native of the township, being about 1 year old when first arrived".
On 15 February 1882 it was announced that Mr J K Dunbar was retiring from business (Bridge Hotel) in favour of Mrs Rosling - the hotel to be managed by Mrs Geo Dunbar.
Notice of application for a Publican's licence: ... I , John Killigrew Dunbar of Dandenong, do hereby give notice that I desire to obtain and will at the next licensinn Meeting, apply for a publican's licence, for a a house situate at Lonsdale Street, Dandenong, contanbibg twenty rooms, exclusive of those required for the use of the family. 11 Nov 1878. John K Dunbar.
John Thomas Killigrew Dunbar married Margaret Ann Green, daughter of Michael Green and Jenny Scales, on 25 January 1880 in the Roman Catholic church presbytery, Elsternwick, Victoria.
He broke his arm in a fall from a horse 26 May 1880 - "a heavy man".
In 1881 he was summoned by his servant for wages. He advertised the Bridge Hotel on 6 Apr 1881. John was the mail contractor from 1881 to 1883, in Dandenong.
John Thomas Killigrew Dunbar was declared bankrupt on 2 October 1886 in Tooradin. Compulsory sequestration of the estate of John Killigrew Dunbar of Tooradin. Declared insolvent J Thomas Killigrew Dunbar of Tooradin, Publican 255 pounds, 11 shillings 3 pence deficiency.
The Vic Police gazette reported: Stolen from the bedroom of John Dunbar, Torkieth Station, Lang Lang, Western Port, about the 7th instant, a gent's heavy gold ring, set with a large cat's-eye stone. Value £40. Complainants present address is 3 Naylor St, South Yarra.
John Thomas Killigrew Dunbar was listed in a directory dated 1890 at Box Hill Road, Oakleigh, Victoria. He was admitted to the Alfred Hospital, Melbourne, on 12 February 1896. John Dunbar, formerly of Dandenong, now in the Alfred hospital with rheumatism.
     John was registered as John Dunbar, wheelwright at Dunkeld, Victoria, on the 1903 electoral roll.
     John Thomas Killigrew Dunbar received a letter from Thomas Rosling dated 7 March 1907. "Yarramau", Flemington, 7/3/07
Dear Jack,
I am very sorry to hear of your ill health. You have certainly been a martyr to Rheumatism. What I want, send me all the correspondence you had (years ago) from those Dublin lawyers, and prepare me a "Power of Attorney", and get it sworn before a Justice of the Peace, in Penshurst, and any letters you may have referring to the property, and enclosed in the Power of Attorney giving agreement to allow me 5 per Cent & Execs on all (or any) monies, you may secure out of the "Great Expectations" from this Chancery Court, where George K. Dunbar as advertised for. Fannie has the family pedigree, she is well and the children like-wise, but I can't earn enough to keep the pot boiling, so Wally wrote me to come over.
"Thomas Rosling, Publican" is "wanted in Claimants for property in Chancery".
Wally sent 20/- over to London, and ask for information supplying my Pedigree too. Give my love to Maggie, & family by Inile [This word is difficult to decipher] write at once, I hear of what Tommy Lloyd said "Who says you enquired of him about this biz. years ago"
Yours faithfully,
T. Rosling
     John Thomas Killigrew Dunbar received a letter from Thomas Rosling dated 18 April 1907. "Yarramau", Ascot Vale Rd, Flemington, 18/4/07
Dear Jack,
I have been working at your business constantly, and mention to Tommy Lloyd often. He asks me for your address, a forthright buck! and I saw him yesterday. He said he had written to England about your business, and expected a reply. He seems to have very sanguine hopes of your success. It could not come at a better time. I am homeless, and can't get anything, though I wont go back to Fanny until I can give (or send) her money. She says it is no good as she can struggle on better without me, than with me -- I am confident of getting into business. Harry Pockling (very hard to decipher .. author was a shocking writer .. jor) tho' has about £18,000 he expects from Chancery. He has promised me 5 per cent for any I get -- given me a letter, with power to deal.
Remember me to your family,
Yours faithfully,
T. Rosling
     John Thomas Killigrew Dunbar received a letter from Thomas Rosling dated 25 May 1907. "Yarramau", Ascot Vale Rd, Flemington,
Dear Jack,
I was very pleased to get your letter, I went to Tommy Lloyd same day, shewed him your letter. He says he has written Home about your business -- expects an answer back in about two months, he speaks very favourably of your
Poor old Fannie: she says I may as well come and spend the little time I have left with her. I have got such a splendid boy in Bertie, he wrote me such a touching letter, he says that he fears that I left home with the thought that he didn't think much of me, but he wished me to disabuse my mind -- (If I harbor) such feelings, as he considered me a hero to battle with such opposing circumstances as he had witnessed. Wait, said he, my star is in its ascendancy, I will see you are taken care of.
He is a most brilliant "Black & White" artist, he often gets cheques from Sydney for his sketches -- he will make his mark in the world. You know my dear Anice married a Flash Fellow named Hollinhed. Well, they have been staying for some weeks with Tottie at Curtains Hotel Elgin St. Carlton. Anice and her two little girls gone to Sydney to an aunt of Fred's whom she never ever met and left Mr. Flash Holinshed behind. Sponging on Tot. sort of barman and bookkeeper (just about fit him, plenty of cheap drinks and no work) I think Tot. is a fool --- people will talk.
I am glad today, Jack, I have left drink and its company behind for ever -- God helping me, its as much as I can expect, to find bread and a bit of tobacco. I am not sure I shall escape public charity before I die -- I have found one Friend who has promised never to forsake me -- "We are but horses along life's scene driven Time is, to us, a big probation given --- To fix us for a dread eternity"-----
I am sorry to hear you are such a martyr to the rhumatia I am suffering from diabetes, and at times it acts like blood poisoning. My head aches, heart flutters and a weary depression -- make you long for death -- Fanny says she doesn't consider me capable of work, suppose I could get it to do. What can I expect? I am 70 in July -- If we are lucky enough to get this money, there will be more than enough for us all. Jack Linton would not receive any if you were to offer it to him -- Anice visited them -- Jessie insisted upon silence -- never mention the name of Dunbar in Jack's presence. He never ask her if I was alive - charging his son when leaving for New Zealand - "Remember, you, are a Linton! If you disgrace the name, never darken my door again."
I say, "Proud line of earth, I scorn thy words and thee" I should like to have enough to own my house, a pony and phaeton drive my dear old girl, & my daughters Effie (??) & Emily -- about without work and anxiety. The short evening of my life.
Love to all,
Yours affectionately,
T.. Rosling
     John resided at Penshurst, Victoria, from 1907 to 1911. See letters dated 1907 from Thos Rosling in Flemington to Jack (in Penshurst) re chasing their "inheritance". In 1910 he was corresponding with his uncle E H V Dunbar while living at Penshurst, regarding their ancestry, etc. In a letter dated 2 August 1911 he mentions the bank failure which took all his money, he mentions his good famly who through his marriage reverted to the old faith so have no children as far as the church is concerned. He mentions his grandmother who was a Halahan of Dublin, one was a surgeon in Dubln and one was a CE Reverend in St Patrick's cathedral and I was educated for the church but would not take kindly to it, too fond of sport I suppose.
     John was registered as John Killigrew Dunbar,wheelwright of Penshurst with Kate, home duties and Jean, book keeper at Penshurst, Victoria, on the 1909 electoral roll.
     John Thomas Killigrew Dunbar received a letter from Thomas Rosling dated circa 1910 or 1911. 73 Jersey St, "Jolimont" via Subiaco. WA
Dear Jack,
Yesterday, in Perth, I saw -- "Tommy Lloyd", coming with his wife, back from a trip to London. I asked him about the Dunbar in Chancery. "Oh!" he said, "I enquired when at the Chancery Court. They told me an aunt of the claiments (Mother thinks a Mrs. Carpenter drew all the available funds, out of the Court, the Claiment not forwarding his signature (Mrs. Carpenter; had followed up the case for years, believing her son was the next in line. "Lloyd says he will write me an official explanation.
Mother and Bettie have both a lovely little home here, with a good garden and it is so "trooly zoozal" - - no traffic disturbing the serenity -- good roads, streets. Lit with electricity, 10 minutes to Subiaco rail, 3d (penny) return to Perth, scrub and tree planted bays -- purchase price ú175. Soon in fact off, with the deposit paid and 12/6 per week. They are all well. I have been expecting to "depart" for 2 years, but this zoozal life seems to have resucitated me.
See Bert's work in the "Bulletin", "Truth", "Golden West", "The Mirror", and other papers. Bob is at Hamelin (??) Pool. George at Perth, Anice in Sydney. She has been confined to her bed (by sickness) for part. For 4 weeks. I hope she is better. I have been superannuated for 3 years -- no work. No pay'
Kind Regards from us all,
Thos. Rosling
     John Thomas Killigrew Dunbar received a letter from Edward Henry Vivian Dunbar dated 11 September 1910. Nambour, Queensland, 11 Sept. 1910
Dear Cousin John,
I expected to hear from you, but possibly you thought it would do if the girls wrote: and it does perhaps do just as well. However, I wanted to let you know (or remind you as the case may be) of 2 or 3 matters which you as heir-at-law ought to bear in mind.
The most important to my mind, that the Arwenack case 28 (or so) years ago was a test-case and the decision of the Chancellor in that case would probably apply to the rest of the Killigrew property, and as that property may be worth anything up to a million, you ought to get into communication with all your relatives. Perhaps the Ceylon Dunbars may be well off and could afford to make enquiries.
I could get 12 months leave of absence (on half pay) at any time, but then I could not afford to go home as I have no money saved, in any case I am too old to care to spend any money on what could not benefit me for some years to come, and that would be "Too Late".
Another and important fact that the value of the Arwenack property was divided among all the then living descendants of Major J.K. Dunbar. Today there are only the descendants of 3 sons alive. The Reverend John's, Frederick's, and Henry's.
In '81 or '82 Clara (Charles' daughter) and Mary (George's) were alive but unmarried and too old to have children if later married. George and Charles had no other issue.
Should there be any information in my power to give you I shall be most happy to do so.
I think that you should write to Philpott (if he is alive): I do not say that you should spend any money further than that what buys postage stamps & paper, but you need not be sparing of your time.
Your cousin E.H.V. Dunbar
My only brother (died unmarried) was W.T. Killigrew Dunbar. Are you Killigrew? I have a seal given by Charles II to Lady Killigrew. In our house at home we had a beautiful Cabinet given by the same lively monarch to Killigrew himself. Also a spinning wheel given by Charles to Killigrew or some other ancestral connection.
Of course, the whole business may be a dream, but still there is the Arwenack case and Philpot evidently took all risks. Had the decision been the other way, he would have lost (seemingly) £300 certain to £600 possibly.
And for the past 80 years all relatives have been convinced of the reality of the Dunbar claims whatever their notion of the value of the property. You understand that I lived with my grandmother (the Major's widow) generally 'till 1864 when she died (she had her marriage settlement annuity from '52 to '64). I knew Captain Fred intimately '79 to '90 (I think). I met the Rev. John (your grandfather): even George I stayed with in Paris as a child. I was 15 when my father died. So you will infer that I must have heard a good deal (true or exaggerated) about the family. Charles' daughter (Clara) lived as my father's ward in our home from '57 'til1 that home broke up in '65.
Lastly, the infernal law suit led directly or indirectly to the ruin of all of us in Ireland

     John Thomas Killigrew Dunbar received a letter from Edward Henry Vivian Dunbar dated 25 September 1910. Nambour, Queensland, 25-9-10
My dear Cousin,
Let me in the first place let you know who I am. I sent a copy of pedigree of later generations to your daughter Alice. If you refer to that you will see that I am the eldest son of Henry Hussey Vivian Dunbar the youngest son by second wife of your great-grandfather. He was chief clerk of the Irish Education Department. My mother (nee Anna Caddell) was an heiress on a small scale. Both my parents died young one in 1863 the other in '65. The Revd. John was at my father's deathbed, a hale old man while my poor father was 42 and a broken hearted wreck. (the curse of the big lawsuit indirectly responsible for the wreck.)
I will be happy to give you any information I can, "free, gratis, and for nothing" and I assume that you would be fairly generous to your kinsmen if you came in for a million more or less. But as I am over 60 years of age I would not take any active part for I have nothing saved. Of course I could get leave of absence at any time but it would be without pay. (at least after 6 months)
I should tell you I am, (so far as I know), the only member of the Dunbar family in Australia that was born in Ireland. I knew your grandfather (and have one or two of his letters even now). I knew (Captain) Frederick very well. From him I got 2 seals, one given by Charles II to Lady Killigrew, the other said to have been worn by John Dunbar (aide de camp to Marlboro' ). Clara, daughter of Charles (killed at Arrah) and I were brought up together from 1857 to '65. So you will see that I know more of the family than anyone living. All the same I do not know as much as I would like to know.
I have written to a nephew of mine (a son of my sister) whose address is: 115 Falconer St., Clifton Hill. Melbourne
He will probably take a niece down to see you. I just got his address from his mother in England. He is a fine young fellow, but has not been more successful than the rest of his Kin for the last 80 years. I know nothing about him since he was a boy.
You might let me have the address of the Ceylon people. The Major's first wife was a Cork woman, and probably the Ceylon cousin does not know that the Dunbars did not live there. For years we owned Ballycarney in Carlow but were never regarded as a South of Ireland family.
I will try and get to Melbourne at Xmas but in the mean time shall be glad to correspond with you. I am in correspondence with Cousin Dora whose mother I knew personally 50 years ago in Dublin.
Your brother George, I corresponded with for some time in a casual way. I had a letter from him shortly before his death in the Gulf Country.
Your aunt, Elizabeth Dobson was married from my father's house I believe about 1849.
With Kindest regards to all your family, Yours sincerely, EHV Dunbar
PS If we meet, I shall tell you how I came down in the world, or rather how never got up. I was only a boy when my father died. The family would seem to have had a curse on it for over 100 years. Let us hope that the curse will lift before long.
Until I was 15 years of age I was a gentleman by education association and parentage: so you may infer that in my communication with my relatives I am not actuated by any business motives whatever. Of course I would be delighted to go home with you as a witness provided my expenses were paid, but then I could not pay my own expenses without beggaring myself.

(NOTE:- The following is written on the back of the first page of this letter. From the size of writing and its position, it was an addition after the letter had been folded.)
Did you know your uncle Tom died only a few months age in Queensland. I did not know that he was alive & in Qld. Neither did uncle Fred nor his family. The curse again
     John Thomas Killigrew Dunbar received a letter from Edward Henry Vivian Dunbar dated 24 October 1910. Nambour, Queensland, 24-10-10
Dear Cousin,
In the first place I wish you to understand that I am not at all offended at anything you wrote in your 1st letter to me. But it seemed possible that you might be under the impression that I would be actuated by business motives - to some extent at least in connection with the Killigrew-Dunbar property (if such have an existance), and I wished to remove that impression. Whatever information I can give you you are welcome to, without stipulations. Of course I am a poor man with the prospect of dying in receipt of the old age pension. Should you become a millionaire I would (expect ..deleted) hope that, for the credit of the name, you would act generously to your poor relations.
The great point that I wish you to keep in mind is -- that Philpott 30 years ago gained the Arwenack case and that the money was divided among the then living representatives of Major J.K. Dunbar. My two sisters got each as her share seven pounds: (Owing to a clause in my father's will they got my share between them). Your aunt Fanny (Mrs. Nichols) got a larger share than any other member owing to the Rev. J. K. Dunbar' s ( her father ) wil1. Captain Fred. K. Dunbar (the Major's only living son at the time) got £14-0-0. The shares were awarded by the court. The lawyers (on each side) got £600 between them. I have a copy of the taxed bill of costs. All this is matter of facts not of supposition.
By the way, John Stott (my nephew) remembers going with his mother to Philpott's office, tho' he had forgotten the reasons for her visit.
I might also tell you that Edw. Stott (Jack's eldest brother) has in his possession a rough draft of a sale of land at Chelmsford (A MARGINAL NOTE:- "in Essex") over 100 years ago, signed by George K. Dunbar, John K. Dunbar, and Lord Dover.
So far as my memory servs me Major J.K. D. served a writ of ejectment on Lord Loftus in connection with a property in Devonshire, in about 1806. Again I have a dim idea that Lt.Normanton, Lt.Clifden (or both) advanced a considerable sum of money to my grandfather to carry on the case or rather cases, for there were many properties involved.
The Arwenack case is the great point to be borne in mind. Should you have the opportunity, get some opinion on it. Submit it to Preston or some agency firm.
With Kind regards
Yours sincerely
E.H.V Dunbar
P.S. Do not be tempted to spend any money, as Arwenack even may have been connected with fraud tho there is no reason to think so. Write soon.
I am doubtful about the Ceylon man being one of the family. Let me know when you next hear from him. What is the town he lives near? You did not write it distinctly. Is it Kotogala?
     John Thomas Killigrew Dunbar received a letter from Edward Henry Vivian Dunbar dated 20 December 1910. c/- Mr. John Stott, 19 Sercombe Rd, Glenferrie. 20.12.10
Dear Cousin John,
I enclose copy of pedigree: It may convey some information: You need not return it. I regret that I cannot manage to visit Penshurst. Next year I shall have more time at my disposal & hope we shall meet.
J. Stott is my sister's son: I am visiting him today. With Kind regards and best wishes for a happy Xmas,
Yours sincerely,
E .H.V. Dunbar
Address your next to Nambour. I hope to be home in 10 days
     John Thomas Killigrew Dunbar received a letter from Edward Henry Vivian Dunbar dated 23 December 1910. Excuse pencil: pens not suitable.
Dandenong, 23-12-10
Dear John,
I am with cousin Dora for a few days. I have gone thro' many of her old letters: my doubts have been increased by 2 or 3 of these. In one from Philpott he states that Martin Killigrew willed so much to George Dunbar of that ilk: I was under the impression that Mr.K had died intestate: this makes a very big difference in my opinion. Again Halahan never believed that anything else would come to the family in connection with the Killigrew property, and H. was evidently a clever man.
I saw Lloyd (the younger) for a few minutes, his father is away on a holiday: I gave him my address. L., like myself, wonders why Philpott did not go on with the case. It would evidently have paid him, (indecipherable word) by his costs in the Arwenack suit. This to my mind is a serious consideration.
In all the correspondence that Dora has, there is nothing tangible: all statements referring to the K. property are inferential or traditionary. I do not see one fact in all this correspondence that would have weight, except as collateral evidence. There are also a number of contradictory statements. Why you heard nothing from Philpott re Arwenack seems to be owing to his thinking the Rev. John's elder children were illegitimate.
With kind regards and best wishes for a happy Xmas & New Year.
Yours sincerely
E.H.V. Dunbar
P.S. Curious to say, I and brother and sisters were wards in chancery in 1865 or '66, but have heard nothing from the court since I got notice of the fact in the year mentioned. But why we were so I do not know. My mother was an heiress on a small scale. I believe that I am heir to 5 small properties, (mortgaged) but they are not worth much. However they may in the future bring in £40-0-0 per.annum
to my daughter. All of my mother's family (myself included) received $100 each some 20 years ago, most unexpectedly, out of an intestate estate in America. There was no trouble in connection with this. One fine morning I got a letter from the clerk of intestate estates in N.Y. telling me there was $100 to my credit in Bundaberg on proof of identity. I went to the bank and signed for the amount there and then & got it. Never had any other official communication. A pity the Dunbar -- kW. dividends do not come in a similar manner.
NOTE: - The next half page or 12 lines are missing. The letter continues on the last page ....
/ ....... I see that your family are R.C. Strange that 4 (at least) of the Dunbars living should have married into that faith. My mother too reverted before her death: her brother married a niece (I think) of Cardinal Cullen, and his family are of that faith.
I have also a niece, by marriage, who is now Superioress of a Convent in Virginia (US).
What must our Garrison Ancestors think of their descendants if they occasionally look down ? They must flap wings very angrily I should think.
     John Thomas Killigrew Dunbar received a letter from Edward Henry Vivian Dunbar dated 9 January 1911. Nambour, Queensland, 9-1-11
Dear Cousin John,
I was in Dandenong for a few days and while there read, or rather got the gist of some 200 letters in cousin Dora's possession. Nothing tangible in these by themselves. By the way, I met your brother-in-law and enjoyed a very pleasant hour or so with him. He said he was going to see you shortly. Dora has since sent me notice of his mother's death.
The following pieces of information I have received since I wrote to you from Dandenong:--
1. De Bernardy's agent (Sydney) is in communication (personally) with your nephew George Kw.
2. It seems that the heirs of Major K. Dunbar have been advertised for.
3. George Dunbar owned 2 properties (one in London & one in Chelmsford, Essex) which were qambled away probably in 1791.
4. Martin KiIIigrew of Arwenack willed certain properties (including the 2 mentioned in 3) to George Dunbar and his heirs. The will is dated 1743. The legatee succeeded to these in 1744.
Now it was Arwenack property that was divided amongst several of us in 1887, presumably under this will of 1743, as it was from a property of said Martin Killigrew of Arwenack.
So far as I see, you as heir-at-law, would inherit any Irish estate that may exist. As to the Killigrew properties there is seemingly something different, as the Arwenack property was, as I have already said, divided among all then known decendants. I and my sisters getting shares. Captain Fred. K. the only surving son (of the Major's) got £14-0-0. I and my sisters got £14-0-0 (my father's share ) between us. Apparently the Chancellor decreed or assented to this division. My father was the only child of the 2nd marriage declared eligible to receive a share.
The story is not a savory one, taking it in its legal aspect. It would seem however that my grandfather married his 2nd wife 1stly with French Jersey or Scotch law, and 2ndly, some years before my father was born he again married her with Church of England rites. At any rate, she had her jointure out of the Garrison Estate which would imply that the Major considered her his wife from the first, or long before the C.of E. ceremony. I lived with her 'till 1864; and as I think I have already told you, Captain Charles Dunbar's orphan daughter was placed in her charge in 1857, which the War Office would hardly have allowed had there been any doubts as to the marriage. And certainly your grandfather and the HalIahans did not oppose the arrangement. Again, my younger brother and sister lived at Ballybay Rectory for a long time after my father's death in '65.
Your uncle Tom shortly before his death sent a message to George in Sydney to the effect that he never wanted to see or hear of a Dunbar again.
So far as my memory serves me the 1st step taken by the Major on leaving the army in 1804 was to serve a writ of ejectment on Lord Loftus to quit a property in Devonshire. So I take it that the Killigrew -- Dunbar property was spread over Cornwall, London, Essex, and Devonshire. Possibly in Staffordshire and Lincoln. Of course, this is only memory, I have no writing to show.
I give you all the information I am possessed of. Until 1883 or so I had only a historian's interest in the family history. Now I regard it as not impossible that you, or perhaps all of us, may benefit by our descent.
With Kindest regards to you all and best wishes for a prosperous year,
I am,
Very sincerely yours,
E.H.V. Dunbar
Thank Jean for her Xmas card
     John Thomas Killigrew Dunbar received a letter from Edward Henry Vivian Dunbar dated 12 February 1911. Nambour, Queensland. 12- 2- 11
Dear Cousin,
I enclose herewith part of a letter received from my nephew, Edward Stott: he was brought up to the law, but left it for a commercial occupation. The information may be of some use to you; useful or not, it will be of interest to you as one of the family.
As I have written to you twice -- this is my 3rd letter -- since I heard from you, I shall not write again unless it be, as in this present case, to give you some fresh information which you are not likely to get from any other source. Of course, when you do write, I shall be only too pleased to reply.
Remember that 3 intelligent members of the family are under no delusions re the property -- (your humble servant, George K. (Sydny) & Edward Stott) You are heir-at-law, and must be, for that reason, the principle party concerned in all or any legal issues.
With best wishes, and Kind regards to your family,
I remain, Sincerely yours
E.H.V. Dunbar
P.S. Keep the enclosed.
Did I tell you that Bernardy's agent has interviewed Cousin George in Sydney?
. John Thomas Killigrew Dunbar was mentioned in a letter from Edward Henry Hussey Stott dated 15 February 1911. 5 Belvedere Rd, Bexley Heath,
15th Feb 1911
Dear Uncle,
Thanks very much for your letter of the 7th ulto. to Fairview and our p'card to Brentwood -- both to hand by last mail.
I was (in common with all of us at home) interested and pleased to learn that you had managed to meet Jack, and are favourably impressed with him, his wife, and children. By a letter received this week, Jack informs Mother how delighted he was to meet you; it must indeed have been to him as a fresh bond with Home.
am obliged by the information given in the rough table of the Major's descendants. His matrimonial affairs certainly appear somewhat con. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Apparently, then, the . . . . . . . . . . . .??issue of his second marriage .... ipeten.. to share in any distribution of Estate, would be your father, the latter's interest of course, vested in his descendants. You say the marriage between the Major and your grandmother was not originally celebrated according to C.of E. rites. It occurs to me that if the marriage was celebrated in Jersey it might have been necessary (to conform with the existing laws of succession in vogue here) for the marriage to have been confirmed in the United Kingdom. I cannot suppose that a recognised .......... did not later place somewhere ........... the birth of Patrick D. ..., ............ your statement that Phillpott declared that your & his , ........... issue were the only descendants of the second marriage who could participate in the distribution of 1886 (?). Clears up a point that puzzles me. I wondered why the issue of Patrick & Mrs Delassert (Delassent ?) had not participated. Assuming they knew of the distribution, these descendants evidently accepted the position -- or did they attempt to asset themselves in any way? Then again it would follow that if there was any irregularity in the Major's second marriage, and Philpott's view is held to be correct, (and on this ........ would doubtless have ...... doubly sure before distribut ..... all the children (of the second marriage) ........... barred from participating in any future fund available. Have you any idea of what the property (the subject of our correspondance) consists?
If of land (real property in general) then we may conclusively say that the Penshust man will get it all; if of personal property of any description, then according to English Law, the descendants of John, George, Charles, Fred & HHV will divide equally. You say ........ "it may yet be div ......... the descendants of ......... & HHV". Why omit the ....... Charles D. & (Cara D.) of ...... Charles ? Surely ........... not debarred from participation in personal Estate! Perhaps you know of some legal disability attaching to sex which seems to be jolly rough on them! Put us right, please, on this point.
Now as to De Bernardy's enquiry. I know their firm wouldn't interest themselves without the prospect of some definite pecuniary advantage attaching! They are expert at matters of this sort ie. next-of-kin business. And from the fact of the agent searching descendants other than the heir-at-law George K of Sydney, I observe from your list, is a nephew of John K. of Penshust -- and ......... fore ...... not in the direct line of succession to Real .......... - (or John K. I believe you said has sons) it would appear that a general distribution is within the bounds of possibility. I shall doubtless hear further from you on this point when you have received George K's promised letter. Hope I have made myself clear and have not been unduly redundant.

NOTE : - The letter finishes here with no signature. Perhaps this is the "part of a letter" refered to in the letter Dunbar E-9, dated 23-3-11.
     John Thomas Killigrew Dunbar received a letter from Edward Henry Vivian Dunbar dated 26 February 1911. Nambour, Queensland, 26- 2-11
Dear Cousin,
You must bear in mind that I know nothing whatever of Killigrew property further than what I have already told you. Until 1887 (?) it was simply a legend to me that Anne Killigrew had left a great estate that came to George Dunbar in (about) the middle of the 18th Century and was lost to the family later on. As a boy in Ireland I understood that some part of the Irish Estates might revert to the heir-at-law, (then the Rev. John Dunbar) He for reasons best known to himself made no move in the matter: he does not seem even to have given any information to his sons. One point perhaps might be useful for you to know ie. that my grandmother had her marriage jointure paid 'till her death in 1864, I believe out of the Garrison Estate: she actually received £200 per annum.
I shal1 give you any information I may receive in the future: I will answer any questions so far as I am able to do so. But so far, you are as well aquainted with the whole story as I am. Your brother George seems to have had legal advice relating to the property, but his family know no particulars. In fact his son did not attach any significance to the name Killigrew 'till I wrote to him. By the way, do you know how he came to give his daughter "Vivian" as a baptismal name ?
I have written to Joseph Dunbar (a marginal note states "The Ceylon planter") but I feel sure that he is not a descendant of my grandfather: if a kinsman, it is thro' a much earlier forbear. He is going to England shortly and I gave him Edw. Stott's address and advised him to call and see him. Stott (who is my sister's eldest son) has had considerable legal training, tho' he left it for mercantile pursuits. He is, I consider, a clever fellow with a very logical turn of mind. By the way, you might get into correspondance with him: he is on the ground as it were. You might also address him as "cousin" for you are 2nd cousins.
I trust you will understand that I have no possible reason for keeping back anything from you. As heir-at-law you must be consulted by any lawer who may interest himself in the case. You will possibly get all of anything that may come of legal proceedings.
I may tell you that my work is harder than ever it has been, and I have less energy and ability to do it, and worse still I have absolutely no money saved. (My wife has a little of her own to live on). So you will infer that I have neither time nor money to spend on what may really be a myth or what might be of no benefit to me in any case.
Excuse haste: I am writing also to George (Sydney) and to Dora. If I had a shilling for every half-hour I have spent in letter writing-connected with the family history I would be a rich man, of course, the value of stamps and note-paper included.
With Kind regards to your wife & family,
Yours sincerely,
E.H.V. Dunbar
     John Thomas Killigrew Dunbar received a letter from Edward Henry Vivian Dunbar dated 23 March 1911. Nambour, Queensland 23-3-11
Dear Cousin John,
I enclose letter received from my nephew, E.E.H. Stott. It may interest you to read it. You can burn it when read, or at least you need not return it. I should have said "part of a letter", the other part had no bearing on the Killigrew-Dunbar business.
You will note that I believe that both Mary and Clara are dead and certainly had no issue.
Yours in haste and with kind regards,
E. H. V. Dunbar
     John Thomas Killigrew Dunbar received a letter from Edward Henry Vivian Dunbar dated 16 May 1911. Nambour, Queensland, 16-5-11
Dear Cousin,
Yours of the 11 inst. to hand. I wish to heaven that I knew what & where the Killigrew properties were or are: as I have already told you the only tangible part of the case is that the Arwenack ... was valued 25 or 6 years ago and the value legally awarded to members of the family - including among others, my father's children. That is the only distinctly and unequivacally tanqible information I possess. Were it not for that case, I would not give a second thought to the matter except as an interesting historical mystery. I see that Philpott the lawer who first moved in the case died a few weeks ago. Curious that his death should occur coincident with the revival of enquiries.
De Bernardy's agent left Sydney for Home last month. All the information George (your nephew) gave him was what he, George, had from me. That information, in substance I have given to you, Dora Wolff, and my nephews Edw. & John Stott.
Personally I am "Sub spe attainem sine expectatione" (under hope, but without expectations) Hope with a small h.
By the way, it may interest you to know that Lady Jane Kil1igrew of Arwenack, a worthy forebear, was condemned to be hanged for piracy, robbery, and murder, but got off her hanging. One of her victims cursed her and her descendants for ever and a day. The Chronicler of the incident believed that the curse would stick. Another curse was placed on the descendants of Earl Patrick (time 600 years ago): But this was only to hold good for a certain period, not particularized.
So you can see that we are handicapped on two sides, which is rather hard luck! The invocations occurred in connection with the Old Faith. Perhaps as so many of the family are reverting to that Faith, the curses may work themselves out; let us hope that the heretic members may benefit with the orthodox ones, when the luck turns. I think I told you that my mother "turned" before her death.
I hope Dorothy will succeed in passing her examination. Teaching is splendid for a girl.
Kind regards and best wishes,
Yours sincerely
E. H. V. Dunbar
     John Thomas Killigrew Dunbar received a letter from Edward Henry Vivian Dunbar dated Good Friday 1911. Nambour, Queensland, Good Friday 1911
Dear Cousin John,
Just a few lines to let you know I got yours of 7 April and to let you have my nephew's address as you intimate a desire to write to him, which I have let him know. His name is Edward Henry Hussey Stott. His address is
Mr. E. H. H. Stott
5 Belvedere Road
Bexley Heath
De Bernardy's agent here got all particulars that G.K.D. could give him, and is now on his way to England.
Did you ever write to Preston ? He seems to be the best known of all the agents. It could do no harm to communicate with him.
Excuse short letter, I am not feeling very well for the past week or so. "Dingo" possibly.
Kindest regards to all your people,
Yours sincerely
E.H.V. Dunbar

A clipping from a newspaper is attached to the origional. It is an advertisement for missing heirs and kindred. None of those mentioned refer to the Dunbar/Killigrew business, but the reply address is that of the PRESTON who is mentioned frequently in these letters
MISSING HEIRS AND KINDRED.--The estate of Mary Ellison, of Wigan, has fallen to his Majesty the King, in right of his Duchy of Lancaster -------------------etc
For further particulars write:- Sidney H. Preston, 27 Chancery Lane, London W.C.
     John Thomas Killigrew Dunbar received a letter from Edward Henry Vivian Dunbar dated 2 July 1911. Nambour, Queensland July 2nd 1911
Dear Cousin,
I am glad that you have written to Edward Stott. He has the best head of this generation of Dunbars. He is now resuming the study and practice of the law, which he should never have given up. By the way address him as cousin, for his mother and your father were 1st cousins.
I did not see reference to the action of certain of the nobility searching records of oversea families etc.: I fear you overate my ability in connection with the family business. Remember I have been 37 years in Australia, that I was only 15 when my home was broken up, and that an Executor robbed me of everything bearing on the history of the family (that Executor was, it is supposed, hanged in Paris in '71. There is today awating him or his son £40,000.
I shall probably be in Victoria in October, when I hope we shall meet.
I am not very well, having the same bothersome cold sticking to me: I had symptoms of gout many years ago, but by sticking religiously to good whiskey (Jamieson's when I can get it) I got rid of the symptoms, now the tendancy seems to be asthmatic.
Kind regards to wife and daughters,
Yours sincerely E.H.V. Dunbar
     John Thomas Killigrew Dunbar received a letter from Edward Henry Vivian Dunbar dated 26 July 1911. Nambour, Queensland, 26 July 1911
Dear Cousin John,
I had a letter from Ted Stott today. Since he wrote to you he had a letter from Preston stating that he, Preston, had communicated with you in a letter dated June 7th. Ted might be able to get on the right track if you sent him the gist of Preston's letter to you and if he could get ditto of Bernardy's inquiries (thro' his agent) in Sydney, from George.
My long leave began July 1st. I went to Bundaberg, intending to put in a month there, but got sick the first week and had to come home on the 17th inst. and here I am, an invalid; some heart trouble, but probably not organic. The Dr. in Bundaberg visited me 6 times: The Dr. here, a good man luckily, is attending me and says a few weeks rest will put me right: but my dancing days are done, and I have to eschew tobacco, whiskey, and other deleterious decoctions, as well as all doubtful company. Hard luck, just as I was going to enjoy the first holiday in 37 years. Well, I have had a fair innings tho' I should have done better at the game. Never mind, there is many a better man a darned sight worse off. With this rather inelegant expression and best wishes,
I am
Yours sincerely
E.H.V. Dunbar
     John Thomas Killigrew Dunbar received a letter from Thomas Rosling dated 29 July 1911. 29-07-1911.
7 Nash St, East Perth, WA
Dear Jack,
Your Aunt and myself were very delighted with your telegram of Congratulations, yesterday, we were puzzled to know how you knew our address? as we have but recently removed to this house. My sons, one in Melbourne (William) & George, in Perth, forgot. I was passing another milestone on my long ---- journey. Mother had but recently said that she desired to hear from you, we have not heard from your "people". My son (Bob) is at Hamelin Pool, Cablegram Officer, George in business at Perth, Anice and her two girls in Sydney, Jessie has been employed in Fremantle for years, Emily a type setter (?????) in Perth.
Mother hears wonderfully well, she is young looking for her (nearly) 58 years, she is keeping splendid health, & works hard. I have been afflicted for past five years with "Diabetes", given up by two Doctors. Thank God I am better than I was. I sometimes walk 6 or 7 miles in a day. I have long ceased business. I'm boycotted by reason of age, although my faculties are as keen and vivid as ever. I could still sail around most of the Auctioneers I hear around me, and my business capacity is as keen and as active as ever, only I have committed two unpardonable offenses against society. Lost my "shekels" and my hair grown white. When you last saw me, I was in receipt of ú4,000 per year. Now my sole income is the Old Age Pension.
Bobby Burns lament has overtaken me, "Age & Poverty, ill assorted pair. "Still I have one Friend sticks closer to me than a brother. I would counsel you, in the morning of your life to take Him to your heart, Jesus, the sinner's friend. What would I do without him now in the eventide of life ?
We shall be so glad to hear from you often & if you ever come to Perth, make our house your home.
Mother joins with me in love to you,
Believe me,
Your affectionate uncle,
Thos. Rosling
P.S. I omitted my son "Bertie" fine young man in your employ. I think he is 6 foot and a very artistic and good son. I think in his 23rd year. TR
     John Thomas Killigrew Dunbar in Penshurst, Victoria, sent a letter dated 2 August 1911. Dear Cousin
I received your letter also one from Preston which I enclose. I rec'd a letter from Vivian, he has been ill some heart trouble but is now better. He says you would like to see the Preston letter, enclosed you will find it. I am under the impression Vivian could give more information as to the Dunbar Killigrew properties if he wished. I think the Killigrew wills also the Major's ought to throw a lot of light on the subject. Which I imagine can be seen the records of which will surely have been kept. I notice that in the family table I have that Lord Baron Duffus held some records? which he would be pleased to allow the family of Dunbar to examine.
There is a Mrs Cecilia Carpenter in Dublin who wrote me some years ago and called herself my aunt. She said I was the heir to the major's estate and that I was entitled to a large sum of money & properties.
Since my losses I have not been in correspondence with any of the family but lately they have been writing me. I had no idea there were so many of us. I always thought I was the last of the line. The Revd Hallahan Dunbar, who died in California, when here also told me that I might expect at any time to become a very rich man & in those days I had enough of my own but the bank failure took it all and I have had to battle ever since and am thankful to be as well off as I am. I have a good family who through my marriage have reverted to the old faith so I have no children so far as the church is concerned.
The Hallahan family of Dublin - my grandmother was one of them: ought to know some of the family history.
One was a surgeon in Dublin the other was a CE Reverend of St Patrick’s Cathedral and I was educated for the church but would not take kindly to it, too fond of spirit I suppose.
Some years ago a London lawyer Mr Philpot wrote me about this matter but unfortunately my lawyer advised me to not have any thing to do with him which I now see was a mistake. Philpot’s firm I understand were lawyers to the Major. If you will take this business in hand and look into it and there is anything in it I am prepared to treat liberally with you and make an agreement. If as I think if the agents hold the information that is necessary they will have to be arranged with and you would being on the ground be better able to treat with them. A half loaf is better than none. If there was no claim why are the agents making inquiries. "Where have the 2400 acres of land in the north of Ireland gone and the Garrison Estate in Galway. The Arwenack Devonshire 'Lord Loftus' London, Chelmsford Essex. The properties. They, so Vivian says, were spread over Cornwall, London, Essex, Devonshire, possibly in Staffordshire & Lincoln. I suppose Vivian has given you this information before. I would like to hear from your mother very much and send my kindest regards. I will ask my daughter Jean to write to her and try and send some portraits. Of your mothers I would like to have. I have not had mine taken or would send it but later on when I next get to Melbourne I will make it my business to call on your brother but in the meantime will write him.
With kindest regards and best wishes to yourself & mother to whom I will write myself soon. I am a poor correspondent.
Believe me.. Yours sincerely, John K Dunbar, Penshurst, Victoria
     John Thomas Killigrew Dunbar received a letter from Edward Henry Vivian Dunbar dated 8 August 1911. Nambour, Queensland, Aug. 8th 1911
Dear Cousin,
Yours of 2nd inst. to hand. I am now out of the Doctor's hands, and shall start South about the end of the month. If Preston had anything tangible to go on he would have communicated with you long ago. Philpott took up the Arwenack case on his own responsibility and at his own risk. Preston has probably 12 adverts. referring to Major J.K. Dunbar and his descendants, but equally probably not one would be worth anything to you. I have seen half-a-dozen at least, but they were inquiries such as we are making now.
G.K. of Sydney seems a self-reliant and level headed young fellow. De Bernardy's agent interviewed him some time ago, but I do not know any particulars.
Ted Stott has all the information I can give him. You must bear in mind that I have no family documents, and that I left home when a boy, and have had no intercourse with the former generations of Dunbars for 40 years, excepting with Uncle Fred. (Captain), and the information from him was interesting rather than useful. He like the rest of us could give no definite information. Cousin Dora sent me a letter she had last month from your cousin Elizabeth at home (the Parson's wife): she certainly holds no expectations, and seemingly knows nothing whatsoever of the Killigrew property, tho' she has heard at different times of great sums that should have come to the family: but evidently never got particulars.
Let us hope that E. Stott will get on the track, if track there be, or better still, that Preston or some other lawyer will find out there is something to go on and go.
With best wishes,
Yours sincerely,
E.H.V. Dunbar
A MARGINAL POSTSCRIPT: Do not be tempted to spend money on Preston's word: If they be worth anything he will act you may be sure
     John Thomas Killigrew Dunbar received a letter from Edward Henry Hussey Stott dated 13 September 1911. 5 Belvedere Rd, Bexley Heath, 13th Sept 1911
Dear Cousin,
Yours of 2nd August to hand this week: thanks. I return Preston's letter. This man is merely a "fee snatcher"; there are many such on this side -- and probably the genus is not unknown in Australia! Even supposing "The Careful Search" he proposes to make on payment of several guineas resulted in any material facts coming to light, he would want you to undertake to pay a heavy percentage on any monies recovered. If the money is recoverable, there are more reliable and much cheaper methods of proceeding, the best of which is to instruct a decent solicitor -- who would by virtue of his profession have access to the same records that Preston and his ilk have, and who would be infinitely more likely to advise you at an early stage if they saw the likelyhood of any advantage accruing. Be assured that I will advise you if at any time I get hold of information.
You say you think it probable that my uncle (E.H.V.D.) has not given you as much information as he might. I rather think you are mistaken in his. I should say that he is of a peculiarly frank disposition & unlikely to with-hold anything that may be of interest to you, even tho' he doesn't profit by it, while if he is likely to profit by the possession of certain knowledge relating to the D -- K business obviously his interests, and yours, and those of the family in general are identical, and it would be ridiculous for him to with-hold anything.
Regarding the properties at one time held by Major J.K.D. referred to in yours. The Garrison Estate was sold -- with other possessions in North of Ireland, about 1836 to a relative one of the Archdalls -- I believe (but on this point my uncle could perhaps give you more information) and the Essex property was sold in 1790 (or thereabouts) to a man with whose descendants I am on somewhat intimate -- or anyrate, friendly terms.
I have a draft of the Conveyance of this Essex property in my possession, so you may dismiss that entirely from your calculation. Regarding the other property, I am given to understand that the Major was involved in a heavy lawsuit and to all appearances he came off second best. This being so, it is unlikely that his descendants could at this distance in time upset the legal decision. So it appears to us that your interest -- and possibly the interests of the whole of the Major's descendants -- are confined to anything he had after his defeat in the Law Courts.
I should say from what I know of his life that the Major died intestate. I mean that he was at loggerheads with his 2nd wife, and it is hardly likely that he would leave his affairs in good trim! This is merely a surmise. He died at Abbeville, France, sometime in the early 50's, I think.
We should be glad to hear from your daughter, as you suggest, and my mother would be willing to enter into a correspondance.
If you like to keep me informed of any steps with the K--D business which come directly under your notice I will do what I can to assist, but at present my advice is to leave Preston and similar concerns severely alone. I have written at some length, but I hope my letter is intelligible.
Yours sincerely,
E.H.H. Stott
     John Thomas Killigrew Dunbar received a letter from Edward Henry Vivian Dunbar dated 23 October 1911. c/- Mr.E. Wolff, Railway Avenue. Drouin
Dear Cousin,
I have been hunting up, both in Sydney and Melbourne Public Libraries, books for information re Dunbars and their connections. I obtained a lot of more or less interest. One item I consider important. In the "Index to Prerogative Wills of Ireland" edited by Sir A. Vicars is placed "The will of George Dunbar" dated 1807. This as I take it is the will which led to the final downfall of the family in Ireland. I have sent this information home to E. Stott. (A MARGINAL NOTE:- "Only the name of the testator (with place and date) is given: nothing of the contents)
There is also in same book "The Will of John Dunbar, Ballycarney, Co. Carlow, dated 1724." This presumably also our ancestor of that ilk.
Again here is indexed "The Will of John Dunbar, Dublin 1764" who may or may not have been the father of George Dunbar aforementioned.
"Prerogative" Wills are (or were) of great importance and are kept, apparently, under special circumstances. None have been named since 1850, or thereabouts. The term is a technical one, and I do not know its meaning.
There is a very full account of the KiIligrew families in "Cornish Worthies" by Tregallis in Melbourne Library.
Anne, widow of H. Agar was George Dunbar's 1st wife. The daughter and heiress of the last of the Killigrews (mainline) was his 2nd wife by whom he had one son John Killigrew Dunbar born in Dublin: 16 May 1769. This last paragraph is complied from a book, also in the Melbourne Library entitled "Members of Parliament for Kilkenny" by Burtchell. From this book I conclude that during the 18th century the Dunbars spent nearly all their time in Carlow & Kilkenny & Dublin City, and had comparatively little to do with Fermanagh. And I further conclude that for the past 50 years that the members of the family know little or nothing about their forebears. Even Captain Fred. whom I knew intimately for 12 or 13 years did not know anything of Arwenack or Chelmsford properties. Like the others, he knew that there had been property but did not know any particulars. He believed too, that Philpott was not honest, that the Arwenack business was a fraud in fact.
Unless the will of 1807 gives something definite to go on, I shall regard the Millions as mythical.
Taylor, (De Bernardy's agent) will be back from England next week, but I fancy that he would have written at once had he anything to write about. I shall not see him.
I am staying with Cousin Dora at present and shall be here for 2 or 3 weeks. I saw your sister (Mrs.McCraith) and Irene when in town: also my nephew and family. I am feeling better but not as well as I expected to be. However, I am enjoying myself in a quiet sort of way, notwithstanding that I am "Sine Spe" so far as the family luck is concerned.
With kind regards
Yours sincerely
E.H.V. Dunbar
A SECOND MARGINAL NOTE :- The word Killigrew signifies "The Wood of the Eagles", or "The Eagle of the Wood", only found that out last week
     John Thomas Killigrew Dunbar received a letter from Edward Henry Vivian Dunbar dated 27 October 1911. c/- Mr E Wolff, Railway Avenue, Drouin
Dear Cousin,
I return you E. Stott's letter of 13 Sept. last: it is worth keeping: he is one of the few sensible members of the family born within the last 100 years. As I have already told you, there is no fact connected with the D--Killw. history, with which I am aquainted, that I have not related to you or George or both. I have spent a great deal of time both reading and writing on the matter, and have now finished with it, excepting so far as I will answer any questions put to me: but I am taking no further trouble. E. Stott and George K.D. are the two who may be able to do something in the future. The former as a lawyer will find out something definite in all probability, but that it will benefit any of the family is in my opinion extremely doubtful. However, let us remain Sub Spe if Sine expectatione (do not know if this is good Latin)
I do not think that I shall be able to visit you as I must go on another long trip to near the N.S.W. border, due north of Melbourne, and I cannot do both journeys. I am pressed now for both time and money. I had to have a long rest in Sydney and am having another rest in Drouin.
Hoping we will meet under happy auspices someday in the near future & with best wishes for you & yours,
I am, Sincerely yours,
E.H.V. Dunbar
PS I knew Dora's mother & grandfather in Ireland
MARGINAL NOTE:- The Rev. J. Dunbar willed all he had (or might be entitled to) to his daughter Frances: Dora is her only child and heiress. NB You & Dora must come before any other members of the family
. John Thomas Killigrew Dunbar was mentioned in a letter from Edward Henry Vivian Dunbar dated 1 January 1912. Nambour, Queensland. 1-1-12
Dear Cousin Jean
Many thanks for your greetings, the first to reach me this year: and I may add that this is the first note written by me this year.
As you see by the above address, I have got back to Nambour Town and am glad of the same, not that Nambour is a very delightful locality, but because I am having a delightful rest.
I have had a thorough overhauling at the hands of my Doctor and he tells me that the trouble for which he treated me last July has disappeared and I am - for my age - fairly sound in wind and limb.
I feel now that I could enjoy a slice of the Killigrew estate if it were to come my way, and I am all the sorrier that I can only regard it as a castle in the air.
I have had my photograph taken and expect the copies in a day or two, when I shall send you one instead of a New Year's card.
Wishing you all a prosperous year,
Very sincerely yours,
E.H.V. Dunbar
Tell your father a "prerogative will" is one which deals with properties in 2 or more dioceses or Counties. George Dunbar's will (1807) probably dealt with properties in Carlow, Fermanagh, Cornwall, Devon and, I believe, Lincolnshire, besides other places. Perhaps there is no harm in hopinq but blessed are the that expect nothing and are not sorry when they get it
     John Thomas Killigrew Dunbar received a letter from Edward Henry Vivian Dunbar dated 11 February 1912. Nambour, Queensland, 11-2-12
     Dear Cousin,
     J. Stott's address is 19 Spencer Grove Glenferrie. I am sorry that we did not meet last year, but I had to go to Gippsland and also to Picola, and neither my health or my pocket would allow me to get to Penshurst which really meant another long journey. Had you been either on the Drouin or Goulbourn line I could have managed. It is to be hoped that one of us gets a windfall some day before the other dies, then we will have a glass together. (Mine is John Jameison when I can get it.) But seriously, I do not expect to ever again have a ten-pound note to spare on a holiday.
     There has been no news from England since I wrote last, and I do not expect any in the future, until I hear that Preston or Brenardy has taken up, at his own risk, whatever may be connected with the Killigrew property.
     I forget if I ever sent you a photograph (of myself) some years ago. I got no acknowledgment from Jean that she got the postcard. Perhaps she was disappointed in my appearance.
     Kind regards to all, Yours sincerely,
     E.H.V. Dunbar
     John and Margaret were registered as John Killigrew Dunbar, wheelwright, Margaret Ann Dunbar, home duties, JeanAdelaine, book-keeper & George Killigrew, carpenter at Penshurst, Victoria, on the 1914 electoral roll.
John Thomas Killigrew Dunbar was listed in a directory dated 1916 as John K Dunbar at Box Hill.
     John and Margaret were registered as Dorothy Elizabeth, home duties, GTK carpenter, JTK no occupation, Margaret,home duties & Jean Adeline Dunbar, clerk at 24 Ellingworth Pde, Box Hill, Victoria, on the 1919 electoral roll.
His niece Jessie Lessels recalled her uncle Jack as being "a bit of a waste. His wife - she was just one of the crowd, but she was such a nice old lady. I stayed with them a while." "Hopeless - he would sooner sit all day than go to work ... Aunt Maggie was a fine old lady. They were as poor as get out, not that they could help that ... but he didn't help things."
His wife Margaret Dunbar, but not John, was mentioned in her mother-in-law's will, Dec 1886.
John Thomas Killigrew Dunbar was listed in a directory dated from 1920-1924 at Ellingworth Parade, Box Hill.
     John died on 1 February 1921 in 24 Ellingworth St, Box Hill, Victoria, aged 68. DUNBAR. — On the 1st February (suddenly), at his residence, Ellingworth parade, Box Hill, John Killegrew, loving husband of Margaret, and eldest son of the late George and Anne Dunbar, of Dandenong, and grandson of the late Rev. John Dunbarar, Rector of Bally-bay, Fermanagh. county Monahan, Ireland and loved eldest brother of Mrs. Rosling, of? Perth, W.A.. and Mrs M'Craith. 255 Barkly-iStreet, St. Kilda, aged 68 years. Privately interred
Box Hill,
The Box Hill re;orteer on 25 Feb 1921,
The sudden demise occurred at hisresidence, Ellingworth parade, Box Hill, on February 2, of Mr. John Killigrew Dunbar, at the age of 66 years. The deceased gentleman was the eldest son of the late George and Anne Dunbar, who for many years were the proprietors of the well-known hostel, Dunbar's Hotel, Dandenong, in the old coaching days when relays of Cobb's line of coaches ran from Sale to Melbourne, and were not much slower than our present train service. Dunbar's Hotel was the changing place and booking office.
The late John Dunbar was the first white child born in Dandenong, and aas educated at the local State school. Afterwards he was apprenticed to a coachbuilder and general blacksmith, and subsequently acquired a lease of the business, which he relinquished to start a business of his own up country. He was a lieutenant in the Southern Troop of Light Horse. His father was the son of the late Rev John Dunbar, Rector of Ballybay Fermanagh, County Monahan, Ireland, came out to Victoria in a sailng vessel owned and manned by his uncle Captain Dunbar. The late Mr Dunbar married Margaret, daughter of the late Mr and Mrs M Green of Diamond Hill, Dandenong, and leaves a widow and grown-up family of sons and daughters to mourn daughters to mourn their loss. The remains were interred privately at Box Hill.
. He was buried on 2 February 1921 in Box Hill.
DUNBAR - In loving memory of our dear mother, Margaret Ann Dunbar, who passed away May 16, 1925 ; also our dear father, John Killigrew Dunbar, who passed away February 2, 1921.
God grant to them eternal rest.
-(Dorothy and Hugh O'Rorke.)

Children of John Thomas Killigrew Dunbar and Margaret Ann Green

John Vivian Sidney Dunbar

(30 June 1858 - )
     John Vivian Sidney Dunbar was born on 30 June 1858 in 84 Capel St, Dublin. He was described as the son of John & Cecilia Dunbar, gent and baptised at St Mary's Dublin, but no date given for the baptism, but before 5 Dec. He was the son of Cecilia Dunbar. John Vivian Sidney Dunbar was christened before 5 December 1858 in St Mary, Dublin.
Edward H V Dunbar in 1911 mentions his younger brother and sister living at Ballybay rectory for a long time after their father's death in 1865..

Joseph Dunbar

(11 December 1718 - 7 October 1794)
     Joseph Dunbar was also known as (of Burgie and West Grange) in records. He was christened on 11 December 1718 in Rafford, Moray. He was an infant at his father's death. He was the son of Ludovick Dunbar and Elizabeth Dunbar.
In 1722 Ludovick Dunbar conveyed the lands of West Grange to his young son Joseph.
He was in considerable debt by 1741.
Joseph Dunbar married Sophia Campbell, daughter of Alexander Campbell (Of Delnies) and Ann Brodie, before 1761.
     Joseph died on 7 October 1794 in Rafford, Moray, aged 75. He was buried at Rafford, but also testament 7 Oct 1794. He was buried in Rafford.

Child of Joseph Dunbar and Sophia Campbell

Juliana Dunbar

(before 1120 - )
     Juliana Dunbar was born before 1120. She was the daughter of Gospatrick Dunbar 1st Earl.
Juliana, was given in marriage by King Henry I to Ralph or Ranulf de Merlay, Lord of Morpeth by a writ, in which she is described as daughter of Earl Gospatric. Her dowry consisted of Witton, Wyndgates, Horsley, Stanton, Ritton, and Lever Childe. She and her husband founded the Cistercian monastery of Newminster in 1138, and were buried there, in the north part of the chapter-house. They had issue..

Katherine Dunbar

(before 1559 - )
     Katherine Dunbar was born before 1559 in Mochrum, Wigtownshire, Scotland. She was the daughter of Sir John Dunbar.

Katherine Dunbar

     Katherine Dunbar was the daughter of Alexander Dunbar and Katherine Reid.
Katherine Dunbar married James Hay.

Katherine Dunbar (Brodie, Dunbar)

     Katherine Dunbar (Brodie, Dunbar) was the daughter of Thomas Dunbar and Grisell Crichton.
She married (1) David Brodie of Brodie; (2) Alexander Dunbar of Westfield.

Katherine Dunbar (Urquhart)

     Katherine Dunbar (Urquhart) married Thomas Urquhart (of Burdsyards). Katherine Dunbar (Urquhart) was born in Bennetsfield, Avoch, Ross & Cromarty, Scotland. She was the daughter of John Dunbar of Bennedgefield & spouse of Thos Urquhart of Burrisyairdis. She was the daughter of Rev John Dunbar.

Lavinia Killigrew Raymond Dunbar

(2 June 1861 - )
     Lavinia Killigrew Raymond Dunbar was born on 2 June 1861 in Kidderpore, Calcutta, Bengal Presidency, India. She was the daughter of Frederick Killigrew Dunbar and Lavinia Ann Raymond (Nichols). Lavinia Killigrew Raymond Dunbar was christened on 4 August 1861 in Kidderpore, Calcutta.
Lavinia Killigrew Raymond Dunbar married Arthur Lewis Jennings on 9 December 1879 in Kidderpore, Calcutta, Bengal Presidency. Arthur Lewis son of Joseph Jennings esq of Hawkhurst Kent to Lavinia Killigrew Raymond daughter of the late Frederick Kiligrew Dunbar of the Bengal Pilot Service.

Lennox Archibald Dunbar

(11 July 1830 - 1832)
     Lennox Archibald Dunbar was born on 11 July 1830 in Calcutta, West Bengal. He was baptised 9 Dec 1830 at Mymensingh, Bengal, son of John Dunbar, Esq, A/H G Civil Service and of Anna Sophia his wife. He was the son of John Dunbar and Anna Sophia Hagar.
     Lennox died in 1832.

Leonard Dunbar

(say 1459 - )
     Leonard Dunbar was born say 1459 in Scotland. He was the son of Sir Alexander Dunbar and Isobel Sutherland. Leonard was described as student in Paris by Monteith in Theatre of Immortality in Paris..

Lewis Dunbar

(17 April 1761 - 9 November 1827)
     Lewis Dunbar was also known as Lewis Dunbar-Brodie in records. Lewis Dunbar was also known as Lodwick in records. He was christened on 17 April 1761 in Elgin, Moray. He was the son of Joseph Dunbar and Sophia Campbell.
Lewis Dunbar married Sophia Brodie on 14 June 1796. He left no issue.
     Lewis died on 9 November 1827 aged 66. His heir was a descendant of Naomi, daughter of Ludovick Dunbar. She was the wife of Robert Tulloch of Bogton. The estate was purcheased by James Peterkin, a planter in Jamaica..

Lilias Dunbar

(22 January 1622 - )
     Lilias Dunbar was christened on 22 January 1622 in Elgin, Moray. She was the daughter of Nicolas Dunbar and Grace or Griswell Mavor.

Lilias Dunbar

(1657 - )
     Lilias Dunbar was christened in 1657. She is probably the Lillias Dunbar married to James Gordon who was appointed minister of Kinloss 19 Sep 1699, who was aged c. 28 at the time.. She was the daughter of Nicholas Dunbar and Christian Campbell.

Lillian Dunbar

(circa 1847 - )
     Lillian Dunbar was born circa 1847 in Liverpool, Lancashire. She was the daughter of Patrick Dunbar. Lillian, Annie, Charles, Edward and Frederick were listed as the children of Patrick Dunbar in the 1861 census in Rochdale rd, Beecroft Terrace, Blackley, Manchester, Lancashire.

Louisa Maria Nichols Dunbar

(11 December 1854 - )
     Louisa Maria Nichols Dunbar was born on 11 December 1854 in Kidderpore, Calcutta, Bengal Presidency, India. She was the daughter of Frederick Killigrew Dunbar and Emma Simmonds. Louisa Maria Nichols Dunbar was christened on 25 March 1855 in St Stephen's, Kidderpore, Calcutta, Bengal Presidency.
Louisa Maria Nichols Dunbar married Arthur Manger on 21 April 1874 in St Peter's, Fort William, Calcutta, India. He was the son of Daniel Manger.

Ludovick Dunbar

( - 1744?)
     Ludovick Dunbar was the son of Alexander Dunbar and Lucy Gordon. Ludovick Dunbar was also known as (of Westfield & Sheriff of Moray) in records.
He succeeded his cousin Robert Dunbar of Westfield who died in 1711 without issue.
In 1721 he succeeded his father James [sic] in the estate of Westfield. He later conveyed the estate to his niece? Elizabeth, daughter of Alexander Dunbar.
Ludovick Dunbar was mentioned on 8 October 1724.
     Ludovick died in 1744?. He sold his estate to his cousin Elizabeth. She succeeded him in Westfield in 1744 and married Sir William Dunbar of Hempriggs. He sold the jurisdiction for two thousand poiunds to the Earl of Moray. The nearest heir male at that time was Thomas, Vicsar of Lttle Bustead, Essex, who pre-deceased him by 1744..

Ludovick Dunbar

(say 1667 - 1 November 1725)
     Ludovick Dunbar was also known as (of West Grange) in records. He was born say 1667. He was the son of Thomas Dunbar and Katherine Gordon.
Ludovick Dunbar married Elizabeth Cunningham on 29 June 1693. Ludovick Dunbar was served heir to Thomas Dunbar in March 1694. Ludovick was served heir masculine to Thomas Dunbar in "the lands of West Grange with themanor house and mill, Inchdennie and the ale-house thereof, the lands ob urgie... and the town and ands of Over ns Nether Hempriggs". Some 4 months later he was also seised of the right to cut and win peats in the mosses of Granary, Nether & Over Blervie, Rafford and Marcassie". He settled at Burgie in place of the old castle which dated from 1602..
In March 1694 he was served heir masculin to his father Thomas Dunbar in the lands of West Grange ... and the town and lands of Over and Nether Hempriggs/Blearies. He made a new home for himself at Burgie rather than the castle.
Elizabeth Dunbar married secondly Ludovick Dunbar on 14 January 1709.
In 1722 Ludovick Dunbar conveyed the lands of West Grange to his young son Joseph.
Ludovick Dunbar was mentioned on 8 October 1724.
     Ludovick died on 1 November 1725. His will nominated Joseph Brodie of Milnetown, John Dunbar of Burgie, James Dunbar of Kilnflat and Patrick Dunbar of Bowermadden as curators for his infant son.

Children of Ludovick Dunbar and Elizabeth Dunbar

Countess of Sutherland Mabella Dunbar

     Countess of Sutherland Mabella Dunbar was the daughter of John Dunbar 1st (4th) Earl of Moray and Marjory Stewart.

Magdalen Dunbar

     Magdalen Dunbar was the daughter of Alexander Dunbar and Janet Brodie.